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- From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
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- Subject: Re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym
- Message-ID: <RJC.92Nov19162241@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 16:22:41 GMT
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- In-reply-to: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu's message of 18 Nov 92 03:15:41 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.221542.17555@husc3.harvard.edu>, Michael Zeleny (mz) writes:
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- mz> Even granting your alleged ability [to find contexts to separate
- mz> synonyms], it is obvious that it does nothing to exclude the
- mz> context-dependent theories of meaning.
-
- The problem here is that the phenomenon becomes purely theoretical.
- You _can't_ put two phrases or whatever into the same contex for the
- same reason you can't put two physical objects into the same 4-space
- location, not enough room.
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- mz> The best NL examples are furnished by good translations.
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- Give me one example. Even phrases in languages I know nothing of are
- not interchangable unless they are phonetically _very_ similar, which
- is a bit of a degenerate case for synonymy. If I understand, even
- vaguely, one of the languages, then all kinds of contextual effects
- are going to ruin any equivalence you wish to set up.
-
- mz> Following Montague, I believe that deicticaly disambiguated natural
- mz> languages *are* formal languages.
-
- This is either empty or patently false, either way it doesn't reflect
- the Montague as I have seen. I think you need a different verb in that
- opaquely embedded phrase :-).
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