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- From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
- Subject: Re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.013316.23443@psych.toronto.edu>
- Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
- References: <1992Nov17.092016.28202@news.unige.ch> <1992Nov17.221542.17555@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Nov18.132612.8892@news.unige.ch>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:33:16 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov18.132612.8892@news.unige.ch> swann@divsun.unige.ch (SWANN Philip) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov17.221542.17555@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
- >>
- >> Following Montague, I believe that deicticaly disambiguated natural
- >> languages *are* formal languages.
- >
- >I begin to understand.
-
- No I don't think you do.
-
- > Zeleny believes that there is no useful difference
- >between an entity and its name or description. He thinks that a picture
- >of an elephant *is* an elephant, that a formal description of a sentence
- >*is* a sentence ... and so on.
-
- I *hope* formal description of a sentence is (at least) a sentence. Otherwise,
- it's not much of a description. I assume you *meant* to claim (by parity with
- you elephant example) that the formal description of a sentence was *the very
- sentence* that it was intended to be a description of. Naturally, he can't
- have meant these things (and, naturally, you know it). We'll assume your caustic
- words were meant as a reductio. Surely it's not beyond the realm of possibility
- that some formal description of language will capture those generalizations
- that we attribute to ordinary languages. Put another way, it is possible that
- one day we'll have a *theory* of language. Now what's so astounding about that?
-
- >This makes him the World's last surviving logical positivist.
- >
- Now, now, name calling won't get us anywhere. Besides, Hempel is still
- alive and he was once a logical positivst. And Charles Osgood was calling
- himself a logical positivist as a defense against Jerry Fodor as late as the
- 1960s. In any case, one need not be a logical positivist just to believe
- that theories aregood things. Even formal theories that don't rely too
- heavily on pretheoretic intuitions that we all nod our heads a unreflectively.
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- Christopher D. Green christo@psych.toronto.edu
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- University of Toronto
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