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- From: saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs)
- Subject: Re: Gold dust a fire hazard?
- Message-ID: <BxsJpI.MKC@chinet.chi.il.us>
- Summary: Not exactly
- Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
- References: <1992Nov12.221840.13881@ncsu.edu> <1992Nov13.033411.22073@dsuvax.dsu.edu> <1992Nov13.162009.9771@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:12:54 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov13.162009.9771@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> smithrs@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SMITH RANDALL SCOTT) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov13.033411.22073@dsuvax.dsu.edu> rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) writes:
- >>In <1992Nov12.221840.13881@ncsu.edu> jrkitchi@eos.ncsu.edu
- >>(JOHN ROBERT KITCHIN) writes:
- >>
- >
- >Metallic gold, of course, is another matter entirely. However, as many
- >people have pointed out, almost all POWDERS , when suspended in air,
- >have flash points. For instance, wheat is not particularily explosive,
- >nor is flour, but grain and flour storage silos have a nasty habit of
- >exploding when emptied. The reason that these silos can explode is that
- >the dust within them is exceedingly (read explosively) combustible.
-
- There's recently been some serious disagreement with this explanation of
- explosions in grain-handling facilities. The main puzzle is why such
- explosions aren't more common, since dusty storage areas and factories, and
- ignition sources are rather common. The revisionist view (definitely minority,
- but growing) is that these are methane explosions.
-
- >
- >Moreover, metal POWDERS act very differently than the metals themselves,
- >in solid form. For instance, mix together an alkyl halide and a chunk of
- >magnesium and nothing will happen. However, mix together the same
- >alkyl halide and POWDERED magnesium and you'd better stand back, because
- >the formation of grignard reagent is rapid and rather exothermix. Why
- >the difference? Mainly, it has to do with the increased surface area of
- >the finely divided powder. More surface area is equivalent to more reactive
- >sites...and BOOM.
-
- A most unfortunate example, because it isn't true. In the presence of a
- good Grignard solvent (let's not go into that now), and with the usual wait
- for things to get going, common alkyl halides will cheerfully munch up even
- big pieces of magnesium. On the other hand, in the absence of a 'good' solvent
- (and the above reads like one is to think of working neat), common alkyl
- halides don't react much (or at all) with magnesium. For various reasons that
- I consider incidental, Grignard reagent formation tends to be faster with the
- usual turnings than with magnesium powder anyway. Now if you were to go to
- alkali-metal-precipitated magnesium......
- Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us
-