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- From: metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
- Subject: Gravity waves (Was: Galilean Electrodynamics)
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- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:09:37 GMT
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- ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford) writes (in the original
- thread, "Galilean Electrodynamics"):
-
- > Since the assumptions are so reasonable and the agreement with existing
- > tests are so good, most theories of gravity which are considered tenable
- > reduce to Post-Newtonian Gravity in the weak-field, slowly varying limit.
- > Thus, agreement with the classical tests is not a great triumph for such a
- > theory. The binary pulsar orbital decay rate prediction is a triumph for
- > GR alone, however.
-
- That is the point of the three papers I cited at the beginning of this
- thread "Gravity waves (Was: Galilean Electrodynamics)." The binary pulsar
- decay rate prediction is not a triumph for GR either. Zero decay rate agrees
- equally well with the observations.
-
- The Taylor and Damour papers were only claiming that the predicted decay
- rate using GR is consistent with observations from two binary pulsars. But
- it is important to note that no decay rate or orbital acceleration has
- definitely been detected. It is simply the case that the observed value of a
- relativistic parameter in the solutions (containing a non-separable
- combination of decay rate, periastron motion, and bending/delay) agrees well
- with its theoretical value. If one forced the decay rate to zero and solved
- again, there would still be equally-good agreement between theory and
- observations because small changes in the masses and orbital elements would
- slightly adjust the periastron motion and bending/delay terms to absorb what
- previously appeared to be a decay rate. The new Taylor and Damour papers
- make it clear that the decay rate cannot be solved for separately from the
- other parameters.
-
- Moreover, according to the Yu paper I cited, the decay rate predicted by
- GR is also in dispute; i.e., Yu claims that the theoretical rate adopted by
- Taylor and Damour is not really consistent with GR. Getting the theoretical
- rate (if any) correct has been the subject of much controversy over the past
- 20 years. Einstein himself wavered on the question of whether or not GR
- predicted gravitational radiation. It appears that today's theoreticians are
- still wavering. -|Tom|-
-
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- Tom Van Flandern / Washington, DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
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