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- From: ray@tsw.UUCP (Ray Izumi)
- Newsgroups: rec.scuba
- Subject: Re: Sharks: Search and destroy??? (listen up!)
- Message-ID: <619@tsw.UUCP>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 15:29:02 GMT
- References: <18NOV199221412504@trentu.ca> <1992Nov20.034615.10362@reed.edu>
- Organization: The System Works, Redmond, WA
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- In article <1992Nov20.034615.10362@reed.edu> pbray@sloth.Reed.Edu (Peter Bray) writes:
- >
- > Actually tiger sharks are assumed to have a nil effect on
- ^^^^^^^
- Assumed by whom? Do you have a source for this statement?
-
- >population dynamics in the food chain due to their relative rarity and
- >vast territory ranges (anywhere in the ocean). Furthermore, as you should
- >know, there is little predation on the tiger shark except by other tiger
- >sharks and whites. Statistically the tiger shark is the most dangerous
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- Once again, do you have some supporting documentation for this? There are
- many dangerous critters in the oceans. Statistically, considering such
- things as confidence limits, I would guess that this statement is entirely
- unsupportable. It is easy to be misled by statistics if you don't understand
- the mathematical rigors involved.
-
- >aquatic animal to man. Yes, we do not own the ocean; but since we have
- >the ability to minimize some of the dangerous aspects of the sea I do not
- >really see the debate.
-
- So, following this logic (reductio ad absurdum), we should eliminate every
- oceanic animal (why limit ourselves - let's go after poisonous seaweeds too!)
- that might conceivably harm any human who happens to get in it's way. For
- instance, let's get rid of all clams, since they can harbor red tide toxins.
- Atlantic Bluefish can be very nasty too, so they must go. Etc., etc.
-
- > Conservation biology is seriously flawed in this
- >respect since controlling wide spread growth of tiger shark population is
- >a boon to all other species including the other large predators (white
- >etc.).
-
- Whenever I hear an argument like this one, I think of the implications of
- chaos theory, which basically says that a very small change in initial
- conditions can lead to very large and essentially unpredictable changes
- down the road. And our history of meddling with ecological systems can
- offer many excellent examples. So it seems logical and prudent that we
- should think long and hard before we tamper with any complex ecological
- system.
-
- > Actually tiger sharks do pose a great threat to scuba divers. The
- >orienting ability of the shark is not chiefly governed by thrashing
- >surface swimmers (or fish); but depends on many aspects, such as the
- >gellike substance (lorenzii) in the nose of the shark that detects minute
- ^^^^^^^^
- You are referring to the ampulae of Lorenzini.
-
- >pressure undulations in the sea water. Unlike other sharks, which circle
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- The ampulae of Lorenzini detect variations in an electrical field.
-
- >in the past. The tiger shark WILL attack scuba divers. It does not have
-
- Any shark, and many other animals, WILL attack scuba divers. Let's try to
- keep a little perspective here.
-
- > something about the mako being essential to the food chain...
-
- So the mako is essential, but the tiger is not. I didn't realize that
- biology had reached a state where we can precisely determine the relative
- usefulness of every species.
-
- >slaughtered for no apparent reason except for some wealthy Japanese
- >business men to make 10$/pound from the dorsal fins to make shark fin
- >soup.
- >
- For once I agree with you.
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