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- From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
- Subject: Re: DCC
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.145031.25686@dgbt.doc.ca>
- Organization: The Communications Research Centre
- References: <BxKt78.2Hu@unix.portal.com> <24221@alice.att.com> <27628@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:50:31 GMT
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- In article <27628@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:
- >In rec.audio, jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:
- >>I'm sorry that you don't understand the basic technology,
- >>and I'm sorry that you haven't taken the time to examine the
- >>DCC technology, and the results of the CCIR SG10 report
- >>on ISO MPEG Layer I in tandem applications before you've
-
- >I do expect multiple generations of DCC or MD to degrade, but how much?
- >You made it sound like it would be worse than cassette tape. I would find
- >this hard the believe. (though I'll believe it in a second if I hear
- >it for myself).
- >
- >I just got done reading the review of the Philips DCC900 DCC deck in
- >this month's Stereo Review (everyone interested in DCC and MD should
- >
- >In his few hours of testing (before Hurricane Andrew hit his office),
- >he basically couldn't hear a difference between the CD and the DCC
- >recording of the CD. I find it hard the believe that any recording
- >system that can do this, will degrade worse than cassette on multiple
- >generations. And, I expect that it's much better than cassette, and
- >only slightly worse than DAT.
-
- I have heard multiple generations of psychoacoustically coded
- materials (with algorithms that are improvements over what DCC has)
- and believe me, with "sufficient" generations, the degradations can be
- quite severe. But you have to remember that interactions with
- specific audio materials are the rule. In other words, how bad a
- degradation is within any given tiny time slice depends on what
- musical materials are in that slice. There are no general rules, but,
- typically, percussive sounds suffer (e.g. castanets, glockenspiel,
- etc.). Under "casual" listening conditions (e.g. like those of the
- Stereo Reviewer) the distortions are very hard to pick out. To
- maximize hearing them, you need very precisely controlled acoustic
- listening conditions + a golden ear. In other words, the algorithm
- can do a superb job, one which "normal, casual" listening will accept
- as "CD quality". But MD or DCC are NOT professional formats, nor for
- true audiophiles in critical listening. Worst case conditions, such
- as those in CCIR testing that was done in my lab, need very specially
- chosen musical (and other audio) materials, very special acoustic
- conditions, and very special listeners. Bear in mind too that
- improvements are continuously being made to the algorithms but how
- good they can be "at asymptote" is not entirely clear. The
- interaction with materials is the thing that must always be borne in
- mind, as well as the kind of listening conditions and listeners..
- --
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- Ted Grusec - Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Ont., Canada
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