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- From: wkb@cbnews.cb.att.com (wm.keith.brummett)
- Subject: Re: Amplified SubWoofer
- Organization: AT&T
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:24:46 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.032446.6570@cbnews.cb.att.com>
- References: <joet.1.721971687@> <1992Nov17.173945.24845@cbnews.cb.att.com> <TONYB.92Nov17165451@oberon.juliet.ll.mit.edu>
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- In article <TONYB.92Nov17165451@oberon.juliet.ll.mit.edu>,
- tonyb@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Tony Berke ) writes:
- >
- > Isn't the AC Sub-1 the "synthesized bandpass" (Floor-firing, funky
- > crossover) thingy?
-
- Yup. AC has all sorts of marketing appellations scattered throughout
- the Sub-1's literature. From what I gather, the "Synthesized Bandpass"
- (tm) stuff is a combination of the crossover, and six of what AC calls
- "aperiodic vents" (I call them 3/8" holes) in the cabinet. And, BTW,
- they don't *have* to be floor-firing, though mine are for convenience.
-
- > I thought the passive crossover had more to do than just low-pass
- > filtering the output.
-
- The Sub-1 crossover has a low-pass section for the sub driver, a high-
- pass section for a satellite ("main") speaker, and a terminal that can
- be strapped to the input terminal for "upper bass adjustment". The
- cabinet plans I got show component placements on the crossover board,
- but no values are given. It looks like the high-pass is just four caps
- in parallel, giving a 6dB/oct slope. The low-pass section is a 12dB/oct
- setup with three coils wired in series followed by four more parallel
- caps. The adjustment strap appears to merely short out the first coil.
- This apparently raises the cutoff frequency of the low-pass section,
- causing an overlap with the satellite's response and, thus, giving a
- bulge in the upper bass response of the total system. Must be there
- for the rock-n-roll folks.
-
- Now an interesting thing is that AC cautions us in the plans to *not*
- defeat the passive crossover in favor of an active crossover box. Gary
- Galo, a contributing editor of SPEAKER BUILDER, repeats this caution in
- a article he wrote on the Sub-1's. But nowhere does anyone explain why
- this might be a bad idea. A friend called AC and asked this -- the
- answer was more or less a meaningless mumble. So, I assume the reason
- is that AC wouldn't make money on the very expensive passives otherwise.
- They do mention something somewhere about the roll-off going from 2nd
- order to 4th order at some point, but I've got to believe that it's more
- to do with the driver's mechanical response, or maybe the 3/8" holes,
- than with some sort of crossover magic. I mean, the crossover just
- doesn't look complex enough to be doing anything unusual.
-
- > Have you been able to measure the results? I've read some difficult-
- > to-believe figures for the in-room flatness of the SB-1. Do yours
- > perform this well?
-
- Well, the subs do sound pretty good. But, you gotta' read the AC
- literature to get the whole story. They claim: "The average domestic
- living room has 8-10dB of boost at 20Hz relative to 100Hz ... The Sub-1
- has been designed to take these room effects into account". What this
- probably means is that they start rolling off below 30Hz, like a lot of
- other good subs. The only questionable practice involved is in that AC
- seems to assume this room response when they claim 20-90Hz, +/-3dB.
-
- I have measured my subs using the Radio Shack SPL meter (and we all know
- what a precision instrument that is :-) ) and the Stereophile test CDs.
- What I got was (with a 90dB nominal level):
-
- 100 Hz +2dB 40 Hz 0dB
- 80 Hz +10db 32 Hz +1dB
- 63 Hz -1dB 25 Hz -6dB
- 50 Hz +1dB 20 Hz -13dB
-
- The big hump at 80Hz is because my family room is 13 feet wide. I gotta
- do something about that. But you'll notice that the subs are pretty
- flat down to 30Hz or so. And, if you add AC's supposed 10dB of boost,
- guess what? -- you get -3dB at 20Hz. Now, this of course means that
- either my room doesn't have this boost, or that it does and the subs are
- really down -23dB at 20Hz. I dunno. Oh wait, I know what it is! AC
- says "living room", but I've got them in the *family* room! Maybe if I
- moved them into ... no ... sorry. :-) The subs are sitting a couple of
- feet from corners, and the long dimension of the room is effectively 40
- feet or more.
-
- Oh yeah, when a buddy gives me back the SPL meter, I'm going to measure
- the boxes while plugging up the aperiodic vents one at a time, just for
- grins. If there's anything un-subtle about them, I might drill a few
- more. I'll let the world know if anything exciting happens.
-
- > This sounds pretty promising...
-
- Yeah, it ain't a bad way to go. Of course, things take on much greater
- meaning for me when I get to play around with the guts. I'd always
- choose a DIY job that's, say, a few dB's off of perfection over a
- slightly better piece that you just buy and set on the floor.
-
- If you pursue this any farther, and have any more questions, let me
- know. I'd be glad to help where I can.
-
- -- Keith
-
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