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- From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO! (was: The end of cassettes,
- Message-ID: <24221@alice.att.com>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 02:14:53 GMT
- Article-I.D.: alice.24221
- References: <BxKt78.2Hu@unix.portal.com> <24214@alice.att.com> <27617@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
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- In article <27617@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:
-
- >Yes you must. But you don't explaing why you think this. I don't expect
- >multiple generation (analog or digital) copies on DCC or MD to be bad. Why
- >do you?
- I'm sorry that you don't understand the basic technology,
- and I'm sorry that you haven't taken the time to examine the
- DCC technology, and the results of the CCIR SG10 report
- on ISO MPEG Layer I in tandem applications before you've
- resorted to what is essentailly an ad-hominem attack.
-
- >Are you thinking that the first generation will compress the data by
- >throwing away 80%, so therefore the second generation must throw away
- >another 80% of the 20% left, leaving only 4% of the original music?
- That's a pretty silly way of looking at it.
-
- >If this is your thinking, then here's mine. The first compression
- >will remove 80% of the information, but the second time through the
- >system, almost nothing will be removed, because it was all removed
- >in the first pass.
- That's absolutely wrong as well. Think if of it this way:
- The first compression will add some amount of noise. The second
- will add the same amount of noise, although perhaps not
- in the same places (the compression has enough effect on
- source statistics that the psychoacoustic models may not
- be quite the same), and as a result there will be twice as much
- noise in the second copy, for another 3dB loss in masking
- ratio.
-
- Enough of these losses (how many are needed depends on the
- difficulty of the source material you use) and you will surely
- hear noise, and lots of it.
-
- Again, I refer you to the CCIR Study Group 10 test on
- tandeming for the CCIR digital audio compresson standard.
- The documents from CCIR should be in the public domain soon
- if not already.
- >
- >I don't expect multiple analog DCC or MD copies to hold up as well as
- >DAT, but I expect it to be better than any cassette format.
- >
- >Have you heard (:-)) otherwise?
- >
- >If you have some evidence that multiple generation copies will be
- >bad, please let us know about it. If you don't, please stop passing your
- >theories along as if they were facts.
- >
- >Curt
-
-
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