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- From: kurt@eskimo.com (Kurt Cockrum)
- Newsgroups: pnw.general
- Subject: Re: Wanted: Post election comments on Prop. 9
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.213148.15063@eskimo.com>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 21:31:48 GMT
- References: <1992Nov10.204135.8617@pcx.ncd.com> <1799@rwing.UUCP> <1992Nov15.210057.28973@eaglet.rain.com>
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- In article <1992Nov15.210057.28973@eaglet.rain.com> rick@eaglet.rain.com (Rick Lindsley) writes:
- [...]
- >I know one thing though. As long as the winning percentage is less than
- >60%, maybe even 65%, the losing side will continue to bring the subject
- >up for referendum again as often as the law permits. I continue to
- >think an exchange of reasonings and views will win more of the
- >fence-sitters than an exchange of slings and arrows.
- >
- >Rick
-
- This may or may not be the case. I'm not arguing for abandonment of
- "an exchange of reasonings and views". I don't want to get into a pissing
- contest with the pacifists over whose tactics are "most effective".
- I would most strenuously object to *abandonment* of "exchange of slings and
- arrows", like the pacifists and the OCA folks want us to do.
-
- Look at history, folks.
-
- The pacifists are fond of pointing out the gains made by the approaches of
- Gandhi and Martin Luther King in their respective fights for their people,
- and contrasting that to the "failed" approaches of the militants and
- non-pacifists. But actually, neither Gandhi nor King would have gotten
- *anything* they wanted without the *presence* of other players in the game,
- well-prepared to offer future scenarios far worse than any threat Gandhi and
- King ever made. Now Gandhi and/or King never had to, nor would they ever have,
- mentioned that the Brits in the one case, and the US civic (both national and
- local, all the way from Congress to local police departments) authorities
- in the other, basically faced a binary choice: they either could sit down and
- play ball with somebody willing to play by the rules and who had basically
- good intentions *and* a stake in the system, OR deal with other angry, less
- placable entities and groups who, perceiving that the "nice" approaches
- failed, and not having any stake in the system, now see that there is
- nothing to lose and everything to gain (namely, life itself) by casting
- off all restraint. Both were too sophisticated and shrewd to say that,
- perhaps. It must have occurred to the more perceptive Brits & US authorities,
- though. Result? *presto*! India becomes a country! the US blacks get civil
- rights! [of course, we're not out of the woods yet, but everybody's better
- off when the "nice" scenario is taken, capice, bunky??]
-
- This is a scenario that has unfolded time and time again in history.
- Ignore it at potentially great cost (and please note, this cost will *not*
- be borne by those who already have nothing to lose. Guess who that leaves?).
- All of this, of course, is just IHMO. Ciao.
- --
- kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
- Subvert the Anti-Gands! F-IW MYOB
-