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- Newsgroups: misc.kids
- Path: sparky!uunet!tessi!allen
- From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
- Subject: Re: Diapers and the Environment
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.235218.9737@tessi.com>
- Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
- References: <16NOV199215285883@trentu.ca>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:52:18 GMT
- Lines: 57
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- bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:
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- >The problem is that the
- >information channels tend to be monopolized by large companies with a huge
- >financial stake in issues like this one. The disposable diaper business
- >is worth more than $400 million a year in Canada and billions a year in
- >the U.S. Major companies like Procter and Gamble and Kimberley-Clark have
- >been very successful at paying for research studies that support their
- >environmental claims, and then selling this biased information to the
- >public as scientific fact.
-
- >If you see studies by Franklin Associates or Arthur B. Little cited in
- >support of the claim that disposable diapers are no more harmful to the
- >environment than cloth diapers, take them with a grain (in fact a pillar)
- >of salt, because they are industry-sponsored propoganda. Some contrary
- >studies were sponsored by the American Association of Diaper Services,
- >and what they say is no surprise either.
-
- >Unfortunately, independent researchers who take the time to read both
- >and find the middle ground of truth don't have multi-million dollar
- >advertising and public relations budgets, so you rarely read what they
- >have to say in the pages of major magazines. All I was trying to do in
- >getting involved in this thread was make it clear that the Garbage
- >Magazine article a couple of people were quoting in support of the use
- >of disposables is based on exactly this suspect data.
-
- .
- .
- .
-
- >Yes, there are all sorts of . . .
- > . . . All I'm saying is this: if
- >you think disposables have no greater environmental impact than
- >cloth diapers, you've bought into a convenient advertising claim,
- >not a fact. P&G in particular was charged with misleading
- >advertising in Ontario and New York over its environmental claims,
- >and chose to settle out of court.
-
- Ben, in all honesty, it really is difficult to know what to believe, given
- what you've stated above. Who are the "independent researchers who take the
- time to read both and find the middle ground of truth"? And if they're only
- reading biased data, how can they then extrapolate what is right? Unless
- they do studies themselves, their extrapolation must be questioned.
-
- I do understand that both the disposable diaper manufacturers and the
- diaper service companies have biased data, but trying to discern what is
- truth from two sources of bias is not believable.
-
- I understand what you're saying, but I'm still saying that unless there
- really is an unbiased study, then we don't really know what all the facts
- are.
-
- allen
-