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- From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
- Subject: Re: What can we have for an educational system?
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- References: <1992Nov18.143511.13979@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> <BxxBBF.7LD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Nov20.085156.18309@ra.msstate.edu>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:37:06 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov20.085156.18309@ra.msstate.edu> wkl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Wing-Keong Loke the consummate chronic prevaricator) writes:
- >>There is no information about who will or who will not be even a competent
- >>teacher which is available to anybody at the time of hiring. Even the
- >>best universities cannot afford to use reasonable standards for prospective
- >>schoolteachers, or they will turn out almost none. The schools of edcuation
- >>do an evaluation, but what are they evaluating; do not ask the fox to watch
-
- > I for one, think you're right about Unis turning out little
- >teachers if they had good standards of teaching--not when TA's are used to
- >save money.
-
- TA's are not primarily used to save money, and TA's are not that bad as
- teachers. In the universities, it is those who are teaching the same
- courses repeatedly who are likely not to be doing a good job, although
- they are usually popular.
-
- >> Even in universities,
- >>the hiring decisions are largely made by the individual departments.
-
- >>I HAVE suggested that there be the possibility of evaluations by scholars.
- >>The objections to this are massive.
-
- > Since in Unis the people in the depts are supposed to be scholars,
- >why the need for outside scholars--if that's what you meant--when the
- >people inside should be able to make a better judgment due to their
- >insider knowledge of the workings of the dept concerned?
-
- University departments often do use the evaluations of outside scholars.
- But I was referring to elementary and secondary school teachers; to get
- quality, there must be evaluation by those capable of intelligently
- maintaining standards. I know of no other group now with this capability
- than the subject matter scholars, who should decide on the basis of whether
- the prospective teacher knows the subject well enough to assist the child
- or grandchild of the scholar to learn what the scholars think should be
- taught.
- --
- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
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