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- From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
- Newsgroups: misc.education,alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,soc.women
- Subject: Re: Racist/Sexist Role Models
- Date: 19 Nov 1992 13:53:47 -0600
- Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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- brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
-
- >There is another perfect example of racism. You chose those people not on
- >the basis of their intelligence or aptitude, but on the basis of their
- >sex and race. That IS racism/sexism every bit as much as if you had
- >special scholarships for white males only.
-
- Using your logic, there is no possible solution to the problems minorities face
- in this country. If someone says that they want to increase the number of black
- engineers, then they are going to do something for blacks that they are not doing
- for whites. Bias is commonly used to solve some of the country's problems. Seniority
- systems to help older workers, veteran preference to help former members of the
- armed forces get adjusted, and on and on. I think that sometimes, bias is an acceptable
- approach to solving a problem. And the problem of underachievement by minorities is a
- serious one that will have repercussions throughout the next century. You seem to think
- that the problem will just go away and if it doesn't, then that is too bad, because
- we can't do anything "special" to help.
-
- >The racist/sexist premise that
- >people ought to be treated differntly based on their sex/race rather than
- >as an individual with unique abilities and interests is wrong no matter
- >who the beneficiary happens to be.
-
- True. But then so much of idealism is.
-
- >--Brian
-
- Stanford S. Guillory
- guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu
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