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- From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
- Subject: Re: IS UNIX DEAD? (long)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.003831.969@global.hacktic.nl>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:38:31 GMT
- References: <1992Nov11.223818.323@global.hacktic.nl> <BxnyvL.FK1@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <1992Nov18.001148.2448@global.hacktic.nl> <1992Nov18.133433.21809@ifi.unizh.ch>
- Organization: Global Village 1
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- lytras@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Apostolos Lytras) writes:
-
- >Well, let's see:
-
- >(let's take book editing software for an example)
-
- >FrameMaker: about $3000 (if I convert the swiss price to US$, might be
- > less in the US, however)
-
- >You get almost the same under UNIX from
- >Emacs & TeX: $0 (maybe you'll have to add media cost)
-
- That's rediculous! emTeX for DOS or OS/2 costs as much and offers as much. But
- it isn't Framemaker. So what you say here has nothing to do with what were
- talking about: the difference in numbers and prices of applications.
-
- >Or take some table editing programs (spreadsheets), that offer macros:
- >Excel: well.... $500?
- >Perl: $0
-
- Sorry, but these are rediculous comparissons. You can't compare a bicycle with
- an train. Just like you can't compare X11 with COMMAND.COM. I mean, Perl and
- Excel are two completely different kind of programs. I can program a
- spreadsheet in C, but that doesn't make C a spreadsheet... Or does it?
-
- >Maybe you start to understand now why I just *love* UNIX... it just
- >compares favorably with DOS, and I don't give a **** about
- >"user-friendly" interfaces which seem to be in the way all the time (to
- >the experienced user, at least).
-
- I agree, but we were not discussing what you or I like. For me personally, I
- couldn't care less if UNIX is going to change or not. But, it might be better
- for UNIX to have a larger market. It might get squashed between other products
- if it doesn't grow.
-
- >Did you ever look at what the cost is for adding your DOS/Windows-PC to
- >a network?
-
- I know, don't tell me things I knew for years. I'm not a DOS user, I don't
- like the dumb PC networks like Novell and others. You don't need to convince
- me about the good things of UNIX (and not of the bad things :). The point is,
- you can't say: "Hey, look at this nice hacker friendly whiz-bang UNIX system
- with a feeping creaturizm shell, a nice VI editor and gcc, make, Perl, awk,
- TCP/IP, NFS, X, and all the other goodies installed!". I like it, you like it,
- but it scares other people.
-
- The argument about connecting PCs to a network: well who cares? A UNIX machine
- has an administrator (according to some posters here), well so has a PC
- network. Period.
-
- "But the system wasn't ment for end-users". It's an invalid argument, the
- system as in operating system, was ment for interactive use. The *user
- interface*, was ment for hackers. There is no reason why we can't have a
- second user interface that was ment for end-users. Preferably a consistent
- GUI. Even MS-DOS offers a shell and I think it even installs by default. So
- why can't most UNIXes have such a thing?
-
-