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- From: THOGER@bg1.hbg.hydro.no (Terje Thoegersen)
- Subject: Re: How to detect bus speed?
- In-Reply-To: VICTOR@gribb.hsr.no's message of Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:53:48 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.190636.16835@alf.uib.no>
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- Organization: Norsk Hydro, Hydro Data
- References: <1992Nov16.204700.29378@netcom.com> <VICTOR.16.722001228@gribb.hsr.no>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:06:36 GMT
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- In <VICTOR.16.722001228@gribb.hsr.no> VICTOR@gribb.hsr.no writes:
- > In article <1992Nov16.204700.29378@netcom.com> ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams) writes:
- > >From: ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams)
- > >I have a 50 MHz 486 DX system with an ISA bus which is experiencing
- > >difficulties with an 8-bit device. I suspect a bus speed problem.
- > >How can I detect my bus's speed in software? Are there any PD or
- > >shareware programs around that do it?
- > >-- Ernest
- > I guess this might be of public interest, so please answer in this group.
- > By the way,-does anybody know how to change the bus speed? Would be nice if
- > it ran a bit faster....
- > Thanks......victor@gribb.hsr.no
-
- Regarding Ernest's problem with an 8-bit device : I've seen this problem
- when an 8 bit card shares adress space with a 16-bit card. (That is,
- they're within 128k of one another in the memory adress space)
-
- Picture this : There's a transfer underway to the 8-bit card. The problem
- seems to be that the bus HW asks 'is it OK if I do a 16 bit transfer?'
- Since the two cards are withing 128k of each other, *both* will answer,
- the 16-bit 'yes' and the other 'no'. If the 'yes' carries, the 8-bit
- card will get a garbled, 16-bit transfer.
-
- This goes the other way around, too, an 8-bit Hercules card may/will
- switch a 16-bit VGA card into 8-bit modus because of this effect.
-
- In my case, an 8-bit ST02 locked up the system as long as the 16-bit
- VGA card was installed in a 16 bit slot.
-
- I'm pretty sure, too that this is related to the 'quality' or design of
- the motherboard and the expansion cards. The ST02/VGA card combo gave no
- problems in a Compaq 386/20, and the ST02 plus a better VGA card gives
- no problem in the 386sx/16 in question.
-
- Regarding detecting bus speed : I've seen some programs who claim to
- be able to sense this. One, the installation program for a Bocaram
- AT/plus card, 'guessed' right in the Compaq, but gave up on the 386/16.
- The manual stated that this was related to the way the bus implemented
- wait-states. (might be rotten programming for all I know..)
-
- Finally : boosting bus speed : I've tried this, (by way of a jumper
- on the motherboard (on a 386/40)) with varying results. I measured the
- speed of my SCSI harddisk (using Coretest) and could not detect any
- significant improvement in transfer-rate with the bus at 10 MHz. At
- 13 MHz it would not boot. Again at 10 MHz, I had problems when I
- installed a CD-ROM card. It's now back at 8 again.
-
- On an AT I used to have, a Bocaram AT RAM card on the expansion bus
- worked OK at 8, locked up at 10. AST Advantage cards worked at 10 if
- installed as extended, had intermittent failiures as expanded. Your
- mileage will vary, but from my experiences, it's not worth it.
-
- -Terje
-
- (who just set a personal record for posting length...)
-
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- Terje Thoegersen Norsk Hydro Hydro Data Oslo, Norway
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