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- From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: Attn Commodore: You are making a Big Mistake (Hardware
- Message-ID: <70081@cup.portal.com>
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:29:03 PST
- Organization: The Portal System (TM)
- References: <1992Nov12.000037.27562@wuecl.wustl.edu>
- <1992Nov13.221116.15921@ariel.ec.usf.edu>
- <1992Nov18.124549.12281@ifi.uio.no>
- <1992Nov18.225947.5840@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
- <1992Nov19.154759.12082@ifi.uio.no> <37190@cbmvax.commodore.com>
- <1992Nov21.123328.10653@ifi.uio.no>
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- >In article <37190@cbmvax.commodore.com>, bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackso
- n
- > - Amiga Networking) writes:
- >> In article <1992Nov19.154759.12082@ifi.uio.no> stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig Arne O
- l
- >sen) writes:
- >> Hey. Commodore makes the chips, Commodore makes the machines,
- >> Commodore writes the docs, Commodore pays the engineers and Commodore
- >> decides what does and does not get released to the public.
- >
- >We all know that, but who buys the machines? Commodore?
-
- So what?
- >
- >> We did it your way up til now and it created FAR more problems for
- >> engineering, users and developers than it was worth. So, this time,
- >> we're doing it differently. If, in your view, that "SUCKS!" then so
- >> be it. The fact is that "demo coders", while creating 'neato' things
- >> to look at, do little or nothing for sales and they create an entire
- >> generation of Amiga programmers that have failed to learn how to do it
- >> right. The result is application software (you know, the stuff that
- >> people pay MONEY for and expect to work on new machines) that is chock
- >> full of silly, pointless coding errors and, often, _slower_ code than
- >> if it had been coded properly from the start.
- >
- >Ok, if you didn't like my use choice of words, I'm sorry, no offence
- >intended.
- >
- >I think you missed my point earlier that a lot of people buy machines
- >because of the demos. This is something that is very unique for the Amiga.
-
- All I can say to this is BULL. I've been with the Amiga since 1985. I know
- 0 (that's zero) people who dished out between $500US and $3000Us to buy an
- Amiga for some demos. I DO know of dozens who have bought Amigas because
- they run software that either makes money for them or can entertain for more
- than 5 minutes.
-
- >So, I think your point about not doing anything for sales is wrong.
-
- And 99.99% of Amiga owners think your lame reasons are wrong.
-
- >How many A500 vs A3000 has there been sold? If you don't release any
- >new machines between the A1200 and A4000, I think you will see that the
- >same thing will happen again, the A1200 will be the clear winner.
- >I don't know if you guys at Commodore have even seen programs like ProTracker,
- >that have become almost a standard in the demo world. Now there even exists
- >mod-players for ms-dos machines!
-
- Does protracker break all of the OS, kill multitasking and go entirely to
- the hardware? No? Wow! So why are you using it as an illustration? It
- doesn't belong here.
-
- >I wouldn't blame you (C=) if you redesigned the whole chip-set so that all
- >hardware coded stuff broke. It's not your problem if my code doesn't work!
-
- Ah, but how wrong you are. When programs break, users get hacked off. This
- gives the machine a bad name and can sink sales. Remember, you wouldn't be
- the only one going directly to the hardware. Unfortunately, "serious"
- applications would do the same because it's a bad habit.
-
- >And you must realize that there is a difference between coding applications
- >and demos. Demos are not supposed to last a lifetime. When you release new
-
- Only problem is, application developers would also write broken code.
- Unfortunately it can only be everyone or no one. That's the unfortunate
- CRUX of the matter.
-
- >chip sets, people just adjust after a while. It's not so critical as you
- >seem to think. If you worry about getting the best possible hardware, let
- >me worry about my programs working.
-
- And CBM must also "worry" about their image. They don't need to be seen as
- a crash prone machine with software that breaks too many rules.
-
- >> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
- >> Brian Jackson Amiga Networking Group, Commodore-Amiga Inc.
- >> bj@cbmvax.commodore.com
- >> {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!bj or networking@cbmvax.commodore.com
- >> uva uvam vivendo varia fit
- >
- >| Stig A. Olsen | stigo@ifi.uio.no | "Ja til EF" |
- >| Never hit a man with glasses. Hit him with a baseball bat. |
-
- -Joel
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