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- From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
- Subject: Re: PIRACY
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.184751.8542@cs.mun.ca>
- Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
- References: <1960@lysator.liu.se> <XcL9TB2w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us> <1992Nov16.155829.9031@ra.msstate.edu>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:47:51 GMT
- Lines: 95
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- skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
-
- >In article <XcL9TB2w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us> rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) writes:
- >>marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans) writes:
- >>
- >>Piracy _is not_ theft. I will concede that piracy may be morally and
- >>legally _wrong_, but it is _not_ theft. Theft, by definition, implies
- >>depriving a person of his physical property, and anticipated profits _are
- >>not physical property_. They cannot be quantified with any degree of
-
- >Ever hear of something called intellectual property? No? That somehow
- >doesn't surprise me. Are you a pirate? Is that the reason why you hide
- >behind a silly nickname instead of using your real one?
-
- Seems to me that you are being an ass. Perhaps he likes the name? I don't
- follow YOUR logic [lack of] assuming that someone who uses a name is a
- pirate... Now, you were clever enough to say this without actually
- "saying" it no?
-
- >>certitude. The ONLY way I could ever buy this argument would be if the
- >>program had to be re-written each time a copy was sold, in which case I
- >>would have to agree it was quite similar. However, data can be
- >>reproduced over and over at almost no additional cost, so the comparison
- >>of real world, hand tooled goods is innacurate. People who are
-
- >Sorry to burst your bubble, but lots of "real world, hand tooled goods"
- >can also be reproduced at almost no additional cost. As for software being
- >re-written for each copy, that would be like re-designing a car for every
- >customer or re-writing a book for each reader. You really should get a clue.
-
- Another silly bit of "logic"... When a disc is copied you are using your
- own physical "MATERIAL". Trying to drag in car re-designing and rewriting
- books is just plain silly. Besides, you would still be given "material"
- goods... [paper, car parts etc;]. Perhaps you should "get a clue"
-
- >>victimized by pirates are not harmed as bad as people who are victimized
- >>by thieves, because they have not actually lost any material goods.
-
- >Hah, what an idiot you are! Your sort of logic is used by mass-murderers to
- >justify their killing of innocent people. "Well, they never got to live the
- >rest of their life, so they have not actually lost anything."
-
- You do seem to have an attitude problem, please try to refrain from
- "name calling", perhaps someone will then believe that you have some
- "intellectual property" of your own worth paying attention to.
- Mass-murderers... Puh-leeze... you thumped the above poster for
- his idea's/beliefs/whatever on "physical" theft etc; claiming that
- he is out in left field and then you turn around and try and drag
- "murderers" into this... Just who is "out there" now?
-
- >>While they can certainly say they have been harmed by the piracy, it is
- >>hardly the same as a tablemaker being robbed: in this case, he has to
- >>make a new table, just as he would have been forced to do had he sold it.
-
- >Does that make it any less wrong? Sheesh, where in the world do you come
- >up with this crap? Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for raising
- >someone such as yourself.
-
- Again, you seem to be pretty good at "bashing" but an absolute A$$ at
- carrying on a logical debate/argument. How about running off and
- insulting others, preferably somewhere where the USENET doesn't have
- to watch, incur costs for childish name calling etc;
-
- Oh, and to get back to the topic at hand... "Right and wrong" are not
- always "logical" decisions. In my opinion, the original poster was
- debating with logic for his reasoning, you sir, are using morals, and
- the two seldom mix. Visit you local courtroom some day.
-
- >Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate and Pirate Basher
- >skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu ^^^^^^
-
- About the only thing you have said thus far that supports anything
- you said is "Basher".
-
- * I apologize to all for having to stoop to this person's level
- [re: the word A$$] 8-)
-
- While I don't condone piracy, I do believe that some of the points
- that the original poster had in favor of Piracy are valid, as are some
- of the anti-piracy arguments. Morally, piracy is probably wrong, but
- then "morals" are all relevent to something else. ie: Having more
- than one wife in certain areas of the world is "moral" [oh, I can here
- Skip now "What's marriage got to do with piracy", nothing, it has to
- do with an example of how DIFFERENT morals can be] }:-)
-
- Please excuse all typo's/spelling mistakes etc; I am in a bit of a rush!
-
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