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- Subject: Re: Programming
- Message-ID: <92321.095417DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 14:54:17 GMT
- Article-I.D.: psuvm.92321.095417DXB132
- References: <mwm.2n8f@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> <1e4r1uINN2jt@ub.d.umn.edu>
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- In article <mwm.2npl@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
- (Mike Meyer) says:
-
- >In <1e6dbmINNh75@ub.d.umn.edu>, rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) wrote:
- >> In article <OAHVENLA.92Nov15135840@lk-hp-4.hut.fi> oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi
- >(Osma Ahvenlampi) writes:
-
- >BZZZT. You should try programming in ANSI minimal BASIC. You'd change
- >your tune.
-
- Your point?
-
- >> I like
- >> AMOS because it allows me to do complex things easily without
- >> sacrificing versitality.
-
- >Uh - I call not being able to use my commodites sacrificing
- >versatility. Could you please write an AMOS program that lets the
- >standard system commodites work, so I can see that this can be done?
- >After all, it should be easy.
-
- I assume you are being sarcastic. Anyway, commodities are a heap of
- shit. Run PM (Mike Sinz's performance monitor) on a 68000 Amiga before
- and after loading a commodity. It sucks several % of the CPU time for
- nothing! One of the reasons I wrote my own mouse/screen/etc utility
- (QMouse, on a recent Fish) was to avoid this commodity crap. And my
- input handler is written in optimized asm, so I know I'm not hurting
- system performance unneccesarily.
-
- >> I don't need to worry about clipping when I do
- >> a game, for example). I write programs to do what they are supposed
- >> to do. If you think these bad habits, argue with my CS teachers and go
- >> (re)take some classes yourself.
-
- >Try asking your CS teacher (or me; I used to teach the stuff) about
- :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
- >poking the hardware directly, or complying with interface guidelines.
-
- That doesn't surprise me. You fit the CmpSci stereotype to a T.
-
-
- >> Talk to Mandarin about this one. Sooo, Euro demos are illegaly making
- >> good programs. Hmmm. Better talk to people on XXX.amiga.demos about
- >> this one.
-
- >I dunno - I don't consider that any class of programs that has >50%
- >(and Euro Demos approach are >75%) crash on my machine as being "good
- >programs". Likewise, anything that wants to treat my computer like a
- >game console (i.e. - reboot it to run a program) isn't a good program,
- >either.
-
- Hate to break it to you, but your computer IS a game console adapted to a
- computer. Why not enjoy it? You're the computer equivilent of Scrooge.
-
- >No, this discussion started when someone said "AMOS sucks; it's not
- >system compliant". You immediately said "Oh no, more of the AMOS is
- >only good for games. It is system compliant" lately you've been
- >avoiding that, and trying to imply that it's good for beginning
- >programmers. I'll agree that it's probably better than C. However,
- >that doesn't make it _good_ for beginning programmers.
-
- If AMOS isn't good for beginners, PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE HELL IS.
- I suppose you think beginners should first obtain a PhD in CmpSci,
- then buy all the RKMs and program the Amiga in LISP. Riiiight.
-