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- From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: PEP over SLIP?
- Message-ID: <sjsv1fo@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 17:32:50 GMT
- References: <1992Nov16.213034.27895@eos.arc.nasa.gov> <1992Nov20.083723.11984@netcom.com>
- Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA
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- In article <1992Nov20.083723.11984@netcom.com>, gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews) writes:
- > vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) writes:
- > >>
- > >Are you sure? I thought the magic number was 12 bytes.
- > >12 is much larger than any reasonable VJ-compressed ACK.
- >
- > Perhaps Bob is talking about situations where small SLIP packets are
- > being used, so the receiver is able to return several ACKs to the modem
- > before the line turns around?
-
- That could be. It could even be with larger TCP/IP/SLIP packets if the
- receiver does not deliver the ACKs smoothly to the modem.
-
- >...
- > >
- > >I just don't see how SLIP/PEP can "degrade under [increased] offered
- > >load." With increased load, the modems turn the line around less
- > >frequently, thereby wasting less bandwidth. "Collapse" would require
- > >just the opposite, decreased effecency with increased offered load
- > >
- >
- > If Bob's "offered load" is multiple TCP sessions, he could again be
- > describing a link that's returning multiple ACKs to the modem before
- > the line turns around. If the SLIP packets were small, the results
- > would probably be as bad as he indicates.
- > ...
-
- I do not see this.
-
- The word "collapse" is often reserved for situations where a small
- increase in offered load results in a substantial decrease in
- throughput. The system, whether a computer virtual memory system
- during "thrashing" or ethernet in "collision collapse" or rush-hour
- traffic in gridlock becomes all but useless in "collapse."
-
- As far as PEP modems are concerned, a high offered load is just a lot
- of bytes. It does not matter to them whether those bytes are for 1 TCP
- stream or a thousand. The modems will be presented with a high load in
- both directions, and will switch to large packets. Once they have
- switched to large packets, the modem-to-modem link does not "collapse"
- any more, does it?
-
- The latencies of interactive SLIP traffic over a pair of PEP modems
- running large packets are kind of painful. As long as the offered load
- is not above the modems throughput, that latency will be about 7
- seconds (3500 byte buffers in the modems) plus any host queue
- time--call it around 10 seconds.
-
- These kinds of latencies happen in other circumstatnces. For example,
- take a pair of Cisco routers and a 56K line. Run a TCP based file
- transfer over the link between a pair of computers with 60K TCP
- windows. At the same time, try to do some interactive stuff.
-
-
- Vernon Schryver, vjs@sgi.com
-