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- From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews)
- Subject: Re: PEP over SLIP?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.083723.11984@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
- References: <1992Nov16.213034.27895@eos.arc.nasa.gov> <BOB.92Nov18175532@volitans.MorningStar.Com> <shvdb6c@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:37:23 GMT
- Lines: 52
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- vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) writes:
- >In article <BOB.92Nov18175532@volitans.MorningStar.Com>, bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) writes:
- >> ...
- >>
- >> Even with only a single FTP stream traversing the link in one
- >> direction, the returning TCP ACKs (even VJ-compressed) usually require
- >> a large PEP packet,
- >
- >Are you sure? I thought the magic number was 12 bytes.
- >12 is much larger than any reasonable VJ-compressed ACK.
- >
-
- Perhaps Bob is talking about situations where small SLIP packets are
- being used, so the receiver is able to return several ACKs to the modem
- before the line turns around?
-
- >
- >> and thus trigger a carrier turnaround.
- >
- >I've seen plenty of strange turnarrounds--rather, heard them with the
- >speaker on. But only during light loading. The worst case I know of
- >is `ping`. The ICMP ECHO's seem to hit the modems at just the wrong
- >times, causing them to waste lots of time switching packet sizes and
- >turning the line around.
- >
- >> Performance (both throughput and latency) degrades under increased
- >> offered load much more catastrophically with PEP than with V.32bis.
- >
- >Are you sure? From my experience, PEP does best when loaded.
- >It does worst with light traffic, such as interactive stuff.
- >
- >I just don't see how SLIP/PEP can "degrade under [increased] offered
- >load." With increased load, the modems turn the line around less
- >frequently, thereby wasting less bandwidth. "Collapse" would require
- >just the opposite, decreased effecency with increased offered load
- >
-
- If Bob's "offered load" is multiple TCP sessions, he could again be
- describing a link that's returning multiple ACKs to the modem before
- the line turns around. If the SLIP packets were small, the results
- would probably be as bad as he indicates.
-
- However, with a link that can send large packets through the modems,
- only one or two ACKs would be waiting when the modems turn the line
- around. No extra overhead is generated.
-
-
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