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- From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
- Subject: Re: DEC ALPHA Performance Claims
- In-Reply-To: pdg@cs.uow.edu.au's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01: 29:19 GMT
- Message-ID: <WAYNE.92Nov18185710@backbone.uucp>
- Sender: wayne@backbone (Wayne Schlitt)
- Organization: The Backbone Cabal
- References: <BxM81s.LxL@apollo.hp.com> <1992Nov18.012919.2493@cs.uow.edu.au>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:57:10 GMT
-
- In article <1992Nov18.012919.2493@cs.uow.edu.au> pdg@cs.uow.edu.au (Peter Gray) writes:
- >
- > Which nicely ties in with my opinion of the "Specmark race"
- > which is "who cares?".
-
- There _are_ a fair amount of people who want to run applications that
- need more resources than what is currently available. I have heard
- the argument that most people really don't need much more speed since
- the 8088 came out. (6502's worked just fine... :-) What usually
- happens is that new software comes out that can make effective use of
- the additional speed, and after using a faster box for only a short
- period of time, the old machine no longer seems acceptable.
-
- However, the real reason that IBM, HP and DEC are all frantically
- trying to out-do each other in the max SPEC* race is because if you
- want to break into a market, you gotta have something unique about
- what you are doing and making things faster is easier than making
- things dirt cheap. Also, people who want the fast thing available
- will by a box that doesn't have a large install base, but people tend
- to not buy new cheap boxes unless there are a lot of people already
- using it.
-
-
- >
- > Why buy a machine that runs some weird UNIX,
-
- (yes, but SUN is fixing that problem. they are going to SYSV like the
- rest of the world... :-> )
-
-
- > Why buy a machine that runs some weird UNIX, has less applications
- > and costs more than a SUN, even if its twice as fast.
- > What we really want is cheap machines. SUN seems very good
- > at providing not the fastest but the cheapest and most
- > compatible. This seems like a winning strategy to me.
- > Its certainly winning here.
- >
-
-
- well, let me rephrase what you said this way:
-
- | Why buy a machine that runs some weird O/S (instead of DOS/WINDOS),
- | has less applications and costs more than a PC, even if its twice as
- | fast. What we really want is cheap machines. PC's seems very good
- | at providing not the fastest but the cheapest and most compatible.
- | This seems like a winning strategy to me.
- | Its certainly winning most everywhere else.
-
-
- This I see has the fatal problem with just providing the cheapest unix
- boxes around. You end up having to compete against PC's and that's
- hard to do.
-
-
- Finally, I would like to point out that HP _is_ trying to compete at
- the very low end like SUN is. They are tending to push X-terminals as
- the cheapest platform for those users that want snappy windows/graphics,
- but really don't use much cpu power. (I am not sure if they are being
- that successful at it, but...)
-
-
- -wayne
-