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- From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
- Subject: Re: interesting thought (ammendment 2)
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:53:31 GMT
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- Dan Kary (kary@col.hp.com) wrote:
- : I live in Colorado Springs and you (aparently) live in or around Fort Collins.
- : Neither of these communities, nor the county or State they are in have ever
- : ever had any kind of gay rights ordinance or law. Has it always been legal
- : to discriminate against homosexuals in these communities? If not, why is
- : it now legal to discriminate?
-
- Yes, it has always been legal in both Colorado Springs and in Fort Collins to
- discriminate against gays, although certain companies have policies (still
- valid) against it. Both cities had ordinances that would have outlawed this
- discrimination on the ballot in the last five years (I think that is the right
- time span); both were defeated. I don't consider either of those particularly
- significant - at least you don't see me railing about the terrible wrong
- committed by not passing those laws; but taking away the right to try to pass
- them, *that* I will rail against.
-
- BTW, the Fort Cllins Coloradoan (local newspaper) had a short article today on
- the effect of the housing crunch on the rental market. They listed the various
- things you can and cannot do, listing "discriminate against gays" as something
- you can do, but "discriminate against people with children" as something you
- cannot, which is absurd, I think. They also quoted someone as saying the day
- after the election, she got a call from her landlord telling her, "I've been
- waiting for this day - you're outta here". Apparently this bozo had thought
- discrimination against gays was illegal before, and now he was finally free to
- exercise his bigotry.
-
- : I think it would have been illegal to discriminate against homosexuals before
- : amendment 2, based on the US Constitution, Amendments and case law. I think
- : that is still the case. Amendment 2 just removes city, county and state govt.
- : from legislating/enforcing these issues.
-
- I think you will be hard put to find an example where anyone has ever
- successfully sued anyone for discrimination without a specific law to back them
- up. That is to say, there is nothing on a national basis that would have
- made discrimination against gays illegal, although if such legislation (which
- has been pending in legislature for years) ever passes, it will indeed "trump"
- the state amendment in that respect.
-
- : I've always thought that local civil rights ordinances are a bad idea because
- : I feel that local government and what they have that passes for a "judiciary"
- : is not competent to judge anything more important than traffic violations.
-
- I'm inclined to agree. I also don't like the idea that discrimination policy
- should vary town by town. it seems to me something that inherent belongs at
- the state level. Actually, I think the whole idea of dividing the country by
- states has outlived its usefulness; there should be national and local and
- that's it, but thatt's a bit much for most people to swallow.
-
- --
- Marc Sabatella
- marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
- --
- Amendment 2 Is Legalized Discrimination - Shame On You, Colorado
- --
- "Neither the State of Colorado ... nor any of its municipalities ... shall ...
- enforce any ... ordinance ... whereby homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual
- orientation ... shall ... be the basis of ... any ... claim of discrimination"
- --
- All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
- and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
-