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- From: kanga.caltech.edu!magney (Michael Agney)
- Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
- Subject: Re: Sexual harassment on the net??
- Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:39:26 GMT
- Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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- In article <NML.92Nov17203930@csa.bu.edu> nml@csa.bu.edu (Newton Loui)
- writes:
- >In article <c1=I03z3bbsI00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@uts.amdahl.com
- (James Preston) writes:
- >
- > jim@neb (Jim Hood) writes:
- >
- > }>From LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu Mon Nov 16 12:57:25 1992
- > }>Hey Jen, I have the same problem wit da women on this net..heh heh
- heh. Hey
- > }>since were both netsexobjects...will you do me baby fuck me.....just
- kidding ag
- > }>ain.
- > }You know... Joke or not, legally that could be considered sexual
- harassment.
- >[stuff deleted about possible repercussions]
- >
- > And what a sad and sorry comment that is on the completely irrational
- > and hysterical atmosphere that has come to surround "sexual
- harrassment".
- >
- > Not to even mention how this undercuts the seriousness of true sexual
- > harrassment. Jokingly saying "fuck me" is in the exact same category
- > as fondling or other unwanted physical contact. How many people think
- > that this will make people take the former more seriously? How many
- > think that it will make people take the latter more lightly?
- >
- > --James Preston
- >
- >"Completely irrational and hysterical"? Jennifer had just posted that
- >she had received a lot of e-mail harassing her, then
- ><LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> posts that sort of message. If Jennifer
- >believes that she is being harassed, then that treatment *is*
- >harassment. <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> certainly didn't do it to cheer
- >her up nor to give her support.
- >
- >How would you define *false* sexual harassment?
- >
- >Clarify your former and latter points. This doesn't undercut the
- >seriousness of sexual harassment of any form for me. I will also
- >*NOT* take lightly "jokingly" sexually harassing anyone.
- >
- >Why is it that people love to pick on other people, and then when
- >confronted by the people defending themselves, cry out "But I was only
- >joking"?
-
- My $.02:
- That comment of <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>'s is sexual harassment, but putting
- it in the same category as unwanted fondling is like putting a punch in
- the nose in the same category as a drive-by shooting.
-
- The comment that if yd believes yd is being harassed, then yd IS being
- harassed opens a sizable can of worms. If a person is considered
- harassed simply because yd says yd is, then there will be people who will
- claim harassment when none reasonably exists, just to gain power over
- others. On the other hand, who's to say that no harassment is going on?
-
- A compromise, perhaps: If it's decided that the harasser couldn't have
- known yd's actions would be taken as harassment by the victim, the
- harasser should not be punished, but given a severe reprimand. If the
- harasser's actions are "clearly" harassment ("clearly" defined by
- those responsible for judgment, or by law), or if the harasser knew
- ahead of time yd's actions would be taken as harassment (e.g. yd had
- already done it before, and warned about doing it again), then more
- serious punisment is warranted.
-
- Depends on the judgment of the judging body (company review board, jury,
- etc.), but then, justice always does.
-
- Incidentally, <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> should have known that his comment
- would be considered harassment, so punishment would be appropriate.
-
- Joking at the expense of another is always wrong, whether sexual or not.
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