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- From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
- Subject: Re: Supermodels contribute to spiraling low self esteem?
- Message-ID: <BxwsK2.714@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
- Organization: Quake Public Access
- References: <1992Nov12.182022.9195@tellab5.tellabs.com> <BxsH9p.6FL@quake.sylmar.ca.us> <Bxtt3E.9s4@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:14:22 GMT
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- In article <Bxtt3E.9s4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
- >brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov12.182022.9195@tellab5.tellabs.com> chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski) writes:
- >>>In article <1dsbfhINN8hi@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer) writes:
- >>>> If someone makes you feel relatively unattractive by what they say
- >>>> or do, and then you happen to see some poster of some supermodel...
-
- >>Perhaps feminists would feel better about themselves if the only pictures
- >>in magazine ads, posters, etc. were of ugly sloppy pathetic women. Is that
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>a solution to their self-esteem problems? I doubt it.
-
- >Just a quick question, Brian. Why do you equate not being
- >very good looking, and not putting that much energy into
- >one's appearance, with being pathetic?
-
- You are reading your own prejudices into what I wrote. I meant ugly AND
- sloppy AND pathetic. Of course there are ugly women who aren't pathetic
- and sloppy women who aren't pathetic, but I was just pointing out that
- instead of putting well-dressed beautiful energetic women in the ads,
- the opposite would be no more apealing.
-
- >Why is a woman like Marie Curie, Golda Meir or Harriet Tubman
- >more pathetic than a woman like Marla Maples, Madonna, or
- >Vanna White?
-
- They weren't. Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said nor implied that.
-
- >I think it would be more fun to be one of the former three, myself.
- >At any rate, I suspect they had more fun in bed (not having
- >to project sexy vibes for economic reasons).
-
- That's an odd conclusion. I would expect that since sexual fulfilment is
- psychological rather than physical, you can't tell, just from looking at them
- how they were in bed. Besides, why are you bringing that into this? It
- has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
-
- You also didn't answer my question about whether you would prefer ugly
- sloppy pathetic women in ads to beautiful slick active ones.
-
- --Brian
-