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- From: mills@uga.edu (Kathi Mills)
- Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.134459.22837@rigel.econ.uga.edu>
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- Organization: University of Georgia Economics Department
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:44:59 GMT
- Lines: 102
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- >> CJ Silverio
- > D Bremley
-
- Dipshit, leave the attributions in. This is the second time you have
- left them out entirely.
-
- >[Irrelevant data charts deleted]
-
- Irrelevant only because they proved you flat wrong.
-
- >>What bothers me is how raving lunatics aren't one bit concerned
- >>about living, breathing women, yet the idea of undifferentiated
- >>tissue getting removed-- which nature does on its own, for 2/3 of
- >>all conceptions-- sends them into frothing control freakouts.
-
- > anti-abortion = doesn't care about women ??? I don't think so...
-
- *I* know so, and I know a hell of a lot more about it than you.
-
- > Undifferentiated tissue? Do you realize that second and even
- > third trimester abortions are performed daily by the thousands?
-
- Second-trimester, yes. Third trimester? By the thousands? Where?
- And I noticed you didn't quote your source. That's typical fundie
- intellectual dishonesty (if "intellectual" is the right word).
-
- I also know that children are starvinng to death by the MILLIONS in
- Africa, yet you don't seem to have any passion about that. After
- all, forcing women to undergo pregnancy and birth that they don't
- even want is a hell of a lot more glamorous than saving wanted,
- starving children.
-
- > Have you ever seen what get's sucked out of the womb?
-
- Do you know that very few fetuses are "sucked out of the womb" anymore?
- (Now remember, anything less than 50% is an "irrelevant minority" to you,
- like the married women who have abortions.)
-
- BTW, Have YOU seen a suction abortion? If so, what the hell were you
- doing in the middle of a sterile operating room?
-
- >It's arms,
- > legs, heads... not "tissue".
-
- Oh really. I have another source for you:
-
-
- "On my third visit to the clinic, I made bold to ask to see the products
- of some abortions. I asked in such a way as to make refusal easy, but my
- request was granted. The aborted matter is placed inn small cloth bags
- and put in jars awaiting disposal. I asked to see the contents of one of
- the bags of a typical abortion - a six- to nine-week pregnancy - and it
- was opened and placed inn a small metal cup for examination. I held the
- cup in my hands and saw a small amount of unidentifiable fleshly matter
- in the bottom of the cup. The quantity was so little that I could have
- hidden it if I had taken it into my hand and made a fist.
-
- "It was impressive to realize that I was holding in the cup what many
- people think to be the legal and moral peer of a woman, if not, indeed,
- her superior. I thought too of the Human Life Amendment that would
- describe what I was seeing as a citizen of the United States with rights
- of preservation that would countermand the good of the woman bearer. I
- have held babies in my hands and now I held this embryo. I know the
- difference."
-
- Is this the quote of some raving liberal? Some leader of the pro-choice
- movement? Hardly. It's Father Daniel C. Maguire, a Catholic priest,
- describing his visit to the Milwaukee Women's Health Organization in
- the article, "A Catholic Theologian at an Abortion Clinic: Weighing
- Reality Against Doctrine," in _Ms._, December 1984, pp. 129-132.
-
- Perhaps you should read this article and realize that there are NO easy
- solutions inn abortion, such as the simple moral absolutes you advocate.
- Perhaps it would inspire you to THINK and gain a little compassion.
-
- >Since you're so gung-ho about
- > abortions,
-
- I don;t know anyone who is "gung-ho" about abortions. Every single person
- I know wishes there were no abortions, since there is no need for abortions.
- Perhaps you'd care to tell us why you think CJ does not fit this description?
-
- >why don't you go see for yourself what gets aborted!
-
- She may not feel that it matters. Or perhaps she has some respect for the
- privacy of women unndergoing such an emotional event and would not dream
- of intruding on that privacy in the way you suggest. Or perhaps she
- understands that an operation room is not ann observation lounge for
- curiosity seekers. Or perhaps she *has* seen what gets aborted, and it
- hasn't changed her position.
-
- I personally have *had* an abortion, and that experience galvanized my
- pro-choice philosophy.
-
- > Well, I'm more interested in discussing Rush than abortion, so this
- > is all I have to say concerning abortion on alt.rush-limbaugh.
-
- Yeah, suddenly uninterested because soundly beaten. Well, that's one
- less uneducated twit we'll have to listen to. The door's that way.
-
- --
- Ferrari (mills@rolf.stat.uga.edu)
-