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- From: hoyle@beaufort.sfu.ca (Michelle Hoyle)
- Subject: Re: Friends are different from Lovers.
- Message-ID: <hoyle.722552688@sfu.ca>
- Sender: news@sfu.ca
- Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
- References: <1992Nov23.182506.17653@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:04:48 GMT
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- jlw3y@algol.astro.Virginia.EDU (Jennifer Wesp) writes:
-
- >I've been doing a lot of reflecting in the past couple months on what
- >it is precisely that I feel for people, if there are ways to
- >categorize the people I am close to into natural sets, I dunno. All
- >sorts of garbage grown from being alone in a place I don't like. A
- >brief recent history just for reference: I moved in with Greg Lindahl
- >in May of 1991 after graduating from college. I met Eric in Jan 1992
- >and was in love with him by March, went on a cross country motorcycle
- >trip with him in June & July. I then moved to Long Island New York
- >to start graduate school, shortly after which I broke up with Greg.
- >A bit later I decided I didn't want graduate school after all, and
- >decided to move to California after this Christmas, and live with
- >Eric.
-
- >Now for the interesting bits. First, I have been having trouble
- >expressing why I felt I needed to break up with Greg. He feels (I
- >think, correct me if needed, Greg... ) that since I have moved away
- >there really is no practical difference between being lovers & being
- >friends. I do. My feelings have changed for him. It seems to me
- >that there is a certain feeling of right-ness, and I can't come up
- >with a better word, that distinguishes between people I want to sleep
- >with and people I don't. It's independant of how much I care for
- >them, or find them physically attractive, or respect them, or enjoy
- >their company. I can remember people that I have felt this
- >right-ness with whom I didn't really like as people, and conversely
- >people that objectively seemed perfect to me, and yet this spark
- >wasn't there.
-
- >Second, I have been having shockingly monogamous feelings towards
- >Eric. Not that I want him to be monogamous, I was glad when he found
- >someone to be with for a while, I don't like thinking of him as being
- >as lonely as I have been. I just don't want anyone but him. I've
- >tried, because I am very lonely here, but I haven't found many people
- >that have any trace of the right-ness i mentioned above, and it fades
- >quickly with those I have found. I don't quite know how to interpret
- >this, or if it will continue when we are together... it's all very
- >strange & new for me.
-
- I found your post to be more than a little lacking in
- general coherency. Nonetheless, being intrigued and interested in
- the topic matter, I decided to write anyways to clarify some
- of the points presented in your brief article.
-
- Are you saying that if you have this feeling of "rightness" about someone,
- it matters not whether you are in love with them or going out with them?
- No matter what the circumstances, it would be acceptable for you to sleep
- with them? Are you also saying that you no longer wish to share yourself
- with Greg, but that Greg thinks that it would be okay, for example, if
- you were to visit, that he could sleep with you?
-
- I do not think that there is necessarily a world of difference between
- lovers and friends. Ideally, a lover should also be your friend. One
- would argue, indeed, that your lover probably ought to be your best friend.
- Should you happen to have more than one, they should at least be your
- friends. I do not buy into the ideal of sleeping with people with whom
- there is a sexual "spark" but naught else.
-
- Greg, I suspect, is merely trying to find a way in which he can keep
- some sort of shaky hold to you. Perhaps he was more strongly in love
- with you than you were with him. (Especially since you were apparently
- simultaneously in love with Eric and Greg.)
-
- One has to wonder though, and one does, why you kept a relationship
- going with Greg if you were madly in love with Eric? Is it because
- Greg possessed that "spark"? Do you think that you've been fair
- to all parties involved?
-
- You mention that you've been feeling "shockingly monogamous", as if this
- is something unusual or extraordinary. For most humans, this is the norm,
- and there are good reasons for that. I think that if you're having
- trouble embracing monogamy as an ideal, you had perhaps best examine
- the depth and sincerity of your feelings.
-
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