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- From: wa137@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (john e. clark)
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- Subject: Re: Falling in Love
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- Date: 17 Nov 92 21:45:20 GMT
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- In article <BxG8w1.7zB@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
- +>In article <Bx6zHq.Ar7@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
- +>+
- +>+Monogamy Mild Polygyny Moderate Polygyny Extreme Polygyny
- +>+Gibbons Humans Gorillas Elephant seals
- +>+1:1 1.2:1 2:1 3:1
- +>+
- +>+The ratios are male:female weight.
- +
- +When I wrote "weight," I meant mass times acceleration due to gravity.
- +
- +You deleted my earlier paragraph in which I had said that mild polygyny
- +in humans was indicated by sexual dimorphism. You appear not to understand
-
- Yes I misread 'weight'. However, my thoughts on the subject are not
- much modified. I thing the use of 'weight' relative to human
- dominance behavior may not be as useful an indicator as in the other
- species listed.
-
- One should also list the weight ratio of chimps and in particular
- bonobos for a non-human but 'evolutionarily' close neighbor to see
- if the polygyny holds at 'slight'. The 'mild' polybyny in humans
- seems to be due to a societal enforcement, since there are few if
- any societies found where men are strictly, throughout their life,
- monogynous. I think that what we call 'intellegence' mucks up the
- the weight correlation. Whether men are 'more' intellegent than
- women is not the issue, but whether men are more inclined use
- intellegence for dominance than women is a debated topic from the
- feminist crowd. If one were to use the number of men in power vs the
- women in power, as an approximation to such a ratio, one could find
- that it's surprising that monogyny exists in humans at all.
-
- Of course all of this is based on 'sex for procreative purposes' and
- not on 'sex of recreative purposes'. In the latter it is probably
- not good to use non-human models for analysis of behavior, of if
- using such finding more near evolutionary neighbors than Elephant
- seals.
-
- Also the mating season for some of the animals mentioned to not
- match the human, or near human, species and so the polygyny of the
- seals, during the few months of the season is a maximum breeding
- principle, along with fitness and dominance, whereas humans may breed
- throught the year, given adequate diet. I don't know if this would tend
- to induce more polygyny, i.e. more chances for breeding or tend to
- stabilize the group intractions by assigning a mate for a breeding 'season'
- defined as time required for the female to conceive, and raise the
- young, i.e. about 5-7 years.
- --
-
- John Clark
- jclark@ucsd.edu
-