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- From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
- Subject: Re: Mikey
- Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:51:35 GMT
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- uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
- > I think that's truly wonderful...I'm so damn sick and tired of idiots
- >claiming that being a Pagan and practicing Pagan beliefs before your children
- >will warp them and cause irreparable damage. I think this kid is a lot better
- >balanced mentally than a lot of the "traditionally " raised kids. Spare the
- >rod and spoil the child, my ass! I hope when I have children, they are as
- >sweet and wonderful as Mikey...
-
- well as you might have seen from Grendal's post, there are different
- perceptions about this particular child's behaviour..:-) But I have to agree
- that pagan beliefs are a better model for children than the `traditional'
- models they get in media, school, and church. Personally, we are pretty
- `strict' with our kids because we can't stand `bratty' kids. We do not
- spank them a lot, but we do `ground' them and revoke priveledges when they
- push the limits that are well defined. There are just no rulebooks for
- raising children and every parent has to figure out for themselves what
- the appropriate disciplinary measures are. I do know that positive
- reinforcement `only' does not work for us.
-
- > ....which brings me to my question: I'd like a child someday, and I've
- >been wondering how best to introduce my being a Pagan. You know...how to
- >explain, deal with questions and criticism from other parents, playmates,
- >teachers, etc. Please, folk; give me your advice and wisdom--a friend of mine
- >is Wiccan and pregnant, and she's wondering the same thing, as we both live
- >in Montana. Montana is a very scary state to me. Never have it been so
- >necessary for me to hide what I am, and she is one of three pagans I've met
- >in this state.
-
- I don't know about giving advice. I can tell you what we have done.
- We started by having ritual circles at home with just us and the kids.
- We would get them to gather up symbols for earth/air/fire/water and place
- them in appropriate places in the circle and then invoke `the great spirit'
- thanking hir for our wonderful family and good luck in having each other
- and food and shelter. Then we would each say something we liked about
- one of the natural elements. Then we would just sit quietly holding hands
- for about 2 minutes ( all you can expect from kids 5 and 7 ) and close
- the circle. The kids take turns blowing out the candles.
- We called our ritual `quiet time'.
-
- So if they were asked in school about it, or with their friends, they
- would say we `talked to the great spirit' or `we had quiet time'.
- We had the same concerns about the using the words pagan and wiccan out
- of context and having social services or whoever showing up at our door.
- So we thought, until they get older, we can teach the morals that we
- believe in and involve them in ritual to a certain degree, but until they
- are old enough to speak intelligently about paganism, we felt it would
- be `safer' to use less inflammatory terminology. It's probably a bit of
- a cop out, but the witch hunters are out there and some of them would have
- no qualms at all about hurting or abducting our children if they were to
- talk about who we really are. They have heard us say that we are pagan
- but I don't think they really understand what that means.
- So for now, we sort of lay low about who we are. We do let them know how
- we feel about issues and hate mongers and so they know what we believe
- in. We just try to keep away from encouraging them to put a label on it
- at this point.
-
- Does that help?
-
- Blessings
- al
-
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- Al Aldrich inet:aaldrich@encore.com
- "..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
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