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- From: kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins)
- Newsgroups: alt.pagan
- Subject: Scummy behavior of pagan males
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.102307.44819@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 16:23:07 GMT
- Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services
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- Some examples within and without the community.
-
- A prominent pagan couple announced their divorce this year. Reasons
- given, their relationship for the last few years had become physically
- abusive, arguments culminating with him beating up her.
-
- Around that same time, a pagan woman well known to me tells me in
- confidence that her relationship has been abusive for a while. She
- shows me her bruises, and tells me she thinks she has a cracked rib,
- it hurts when she breathes. She lacks strength to leave him, and
- believes he may be her last chance of finding someone to love.
-
- When she finally came out on this, to friends at a local pagan
- festival, she found two other women who had been in relationships with
- abusive pagan men.
-
- I spoke to one of the men involved, somewhat briefly, as it is kind of
- a touchy subject. He doesn't understand why he did it. Something she
- will say, or the way he hears her say it sets him off, and the next
- thing he knows he is beating on her. It has never happened with
- anyone before her, he says. He says he loves her very much. He makes
- a kind of half-hearted attempt to seek counseling, then refuses to
- continue, after she leaves him. He avoids other men in the community
- and drops out of sight.
-
- Too obvious maybe? How about the subtle.
-
- A Heartland Pagan Fesitval's posters consistently picture naked busty
- women and half-clothed men. Why this standard? Heartland also had
- problems last year with the behavior of several drunken men, including
- the sexual harassment of one participant. In previous years the
- Skyclad area of the festival consisted half of skyclad participants
- and half of male gawkers who would set out chairs and stare at the
- women who passed by.
-
- The Green Egg for the longest time consisted of illustrations of
- pin-up style women as goddesses with unrealistic figures. I've
- noticed an occaisional Willendorf figure since the complaint was made
- that by embracing this look of the air-brushed pin-up they were
- promoting an unrealistic and unhealthy body image for women. Although
- this glossy look may be common in popular culture, pagans should be a
- bit more enlightened and socially responsible.
-
- Outside of the community,
-
- Where I work, a new "Customer Service" award was announced, and the
- first winner for outstanding customer service, a woman who only worked
- weekends and whose most notable accomplishments were looking cute,
- acting stupid and wearing very short cutoffs, against standard dress
- code. The second winner, a woman whose contact with the public is
- limited, but wears really short skirts and tight dresses, and talks
- in a little girl voice.
-
- I know they will run out of cute leg showing women soon, because there
- are not that many who work there, but I do find it irritating. And it
- shows part of what it takes to survive in patriarch's world if you are
- a woman.
-
- I can think of plenty more, these just leapt to mind as examples of
- men's scummy behavior both within and without our community. I would
- be interested in hearing others examples of men's scummy behavior
- within the pagan community. Or am I the only one who notices this
- stuff? It has been said that men within the pagan community were
- different than men outside the community in their relations to women.
- I have said this is not very true. What do others think?
-
- BTW I am not interested in argument as to the scumminess of the
- described behavior. I realize some will find these examples valid and
- others will not. Some might yell "Politically Correct" but let's save
- that argument for another day.
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- Stephen R. Figgins | There was an old woman
- kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Who lived under the hill
- PO Box 1244 | And if she's not gone
- Lawrence, KS 66044 | She lives there still
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