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- From: grimoire@byron.u.washington.edu (John Greer)
- Subject: Re: kundalini, martial arts, Alice Bailey
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:20:33 GMT
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- In article <BxyE7s.386@acsu.buffalo.edu> rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski) writes:
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- (question about kundalini deleted)
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- > Has anybody successfully combined esoteric martial arts
- >(particularly Snake Kung Fu) and magick? If so, how?
- >Thanks
- >Luck
- >Rick
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- If you mean magic in the broader, cross-cultural sense, esoteric martial
- arts _are_ magic.
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- If you mean the specific Western traditions that get most of the air time
- in this group, though, that's a more interesting question, and one I'd
- also like to hear more about. The Western world never seems to have
- developed anything like the spiritualization of combat that plays so big
- a part in Eastern fighting arts, which IMHO leaves a hole in Western
- occultism. (Methods of bodywork of all kinds seem to have gotten short
- shrift in the West, but that's another subject.)
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- It certainly seems possible to adapt Eastern martial arts (or some
- specific martial art) to fit a system of Western magical work, although
- depending on the art some fairly substantial changes in the art's
- philosophy and structure might be needed. Alternatively, although
- this might be rather more difficult, it seems possible to work with
- the few surviving European martial arts (Fencing? Savate? Quarter-
- staff?) and develop one or more of them into an esoteric Western art.
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- I've been training in aikido (an art with some interesting links to
- Japanese folk magic) for about four and a half months at this point,
- for reasons that have a lot to do with the point under discussion.
- How does it interact with my (mostly Golden Dawn-based) magical work?
- Ask me in a couple more years...
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- The one common note that I find in the various esoterically inclined
- Asian martial arts is that the philosophy of the art, and its essential
- structure (from issues of strategy and tactics down to the particular
- kinds of strikes and holds it uses) are precisely based on the ideas
- of the esoteric tradition in which the art is grounded. (Compare the
- flowing, non-resistive movements of a T'ai Chi Ch'uan master to the
- underlying body of Taoist esoteric philosophy, if you'd like an example.)
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- What kind of Western magic, then, has teachings that harmonize well with
- Snake style kung-fu? (This isn't a rhetorical question; I'm not at all
- familiar with this style.) For that matter, what sort of martial art
- would suit, say, the Thelemic tradition, or modern Neopaganism, or the
- Golden Dawn? (I suspect the latter would need to be complex to the
- point of fussiness, and full of ornate weapons techniques. ;-) )
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- Anyone else doing work in this area?
-
- -- John Michael Greer
- grimoire@u.washington.edu
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