In Reply to: flesh-eaters take lives, their own included posted by Thomas Hall on June 03, 1996 at 17:42:04:
> Now compare that with the marketing and advertising by the likes
> of the meat and diary industry. With 16 million pounds spent by
> the British Meat Information organisation in a single year on
> advertising campaigns such as 'meat to life' and 'recipe of love',
> who is telling who what to eat?You may be one of the minority of vegans who doesn't go around
preaching to us omnivores, but believe me, it puts you off vegans more
than it puts you off meat.> : Don't you understand that man has always eaten meat and that
> : eating meat is essential for good health?> Two points here; the fact that something has also ways occured
> does not make it true that it is correct or ethical.
> Murder, rape, war etc. are all things which 'man' has always
> done and yet they are not things that we wish to continue and we
> (generaly) try to prevent them from occuring.I don't want to jump to conclusions here, but are you putting murder,
war and rape on a par with eating meat?> Eating meat is not essential to good health, in fact there is
> an increasing ammount of evidence to show the opposite. East a
> meat centred diet increasing significantly the chance of suffering
> from diseases such as heart disease, cancer of the colon, cancer
> of the prostate, cancer of the bowel etc.You can eat meat without it being a 'meat centred diet' you know.
People who eat meat aren't savages who tuck into a raw leg of beef
every night. People eat too much meat - there I agree with you.
It used to be a treat - Sunday lunch. These days, factory farming
etc are not only disgusting practices, but the meat actually tastes
worse. I buy only organic meat, it tastes great, and its healthy in
moderation - that's a fact.> the health issues relating to the consumption of animal products
> on many many web site; I suggest you start with the Vegetarian
> Society pages on health and nutrition.
> http://www.veg.org/veg/Orgs/VegSocUK/Research/healthnu.htmlmore one-sided discussion ...
> you will then find that all you flesh-eaters ARE dieing of
> heart disease and cancer.> We would feed people with plants. Eating plants is a much more
> efficient waygrass for cows can be grown where crops can not. A couple of cows
can feed a family for ages - milk from one, dried meat from the
other plus leather for clothing etc. Don't tell me that's not
efficient.
> Vegetarians do live in the real world;
> a world where meat isn't created by the same machines that
> produce the celophane and polystyrene trays that meat is
> often supplied in, but inreality is a part of a once living,
> feeling and suffering animal.Oh please - stop using this typically emotive language. As I've
already said, factory farming is a disgusting practice, as is
feeding cows with pellets made from meat and feeding chickens
with mushed up chicken. Meat producing does not have to be like
this though. Just because one aspect of meat production is bad
it doesn't mean you have to scrap the whole thing.> a world where leather doesn't grow on trees but is the
> skin of a once living creature, a skin which represents upto
> 30% of the carcase 'value' of the animal to the meat industry.So?
> a world where milk is a unwanted waste product of happy cows
> but is infact the product of a forced pregnancy, intended for
> the calf which is taken away at birth and raised for veal.Unpleasant, its true. I drink soya milk and its reall quite
nice once you're used to it.> Terry, it is flesh-eaters like you that don't live in the real
> world. You ignore the facts, you use language and packaging
> to hide the true source of the flesh you consume. You even
> employ others to do the killing so that you can enjoy your
> meal without thought to the creature that you digest.Ridiculous. So all vegetarians and vegans sow, nurture, pick,
wash, peel and prepare all the vegetables they eat do they?
Get real.M (for meat-eater)
None.