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- In article <v02120d01ad92dea99753@[199.246.2.154]>,
- weismand@limestone.kosone.com (Dwight W Weisman) declares...
-
- ...some things that aren't remotely right. I respond to some of them below,
- but the key thing that was missed is: You've Only Bought Executor 2.0. This
- thread is about 3.0 and up, which you will have to pay for AGAIN -- perhaps
- an upgrade fee, but a fee all the same. Your $100 investment is in a DOS
- app, agreed, and ARDI won't magically break all 2.0 copies so that they
- cease working under DOS. The argument is about what ought to be done next,
- and Cliff makes the good argument that networking/sound/ports/filesystems,
- etc., are much easier left to the Microsoft/Linux/IBM/NeXT people, freeing
- ARDI to work on the Mac-specific stuff. DOS people will at some point have
- to accept that their platform isn't worth developing advanced applications
- for, just as owners of 286s have accepted that no one makes good CD-ROM
- games or CAD software or whatever for their machines.
-
- >I favour implementation of MacOS overlay before a port to Win95(aka Mac85).
- Well, if it were just a choice between having E/2 functionality in a Win95
- window in August, or a System 7-droppable Executor for DOS in August, we'd
- all agree. The point is that this isn't the point; it would take longer to
- get to Sys7 in DOS than in OS/2-Win95-Linux-Nextstep-NT-whatever
- (henceforth: "not-DOS").
-
- >In the first place, it still costs over $100 dollars for the Win 95
- >upgrade here in Canada, and I already own Executor, so I would rather it
- >met my needs that expect me to go out and spend more money to use it.
- No one will stop you. Cliff always says that Executor is only for those
- whose needs are met by its current functionality; you seem to have bought it
- for its future functionality.
-
- >Incidently, yes I own an unused copy of Mac OS 7.5 (Apple sent me three),
- >so that would cost me nothing to use. Also while I think that Win 95 can
- >be grudgingly called 32-bit, the appelation "native" may be a bit of a
- >stretch.
- Native to the Win32 API, rather than a DOS-box VM, is standard Wintel-world
- usage of "native," in my experience.
-
- >A second consideration is memory. Executor likes lots, DOS needs very
- >little, Win 95 needs LOTS. Thus if we are forced to use a W95 port we have
- >to expec to use more memory (and faster processors - there are still some
- >people out there running executor on 386's and 486/33's - no good for W95).
- And they can continue to do so. Non-DOS will presumably allow better
- virtual memory for Executor, saving lots of users a lot more than $100 in
- RAM costs.
-
- >Lastly, if W95 is an effective replacement for a DOS/WIN environment (aka a
- >real system upgrade) then it should run the DOS version of Executor
- >-- NO IFS, NO BUTS, NO MAYBES --
- >if not, complain to Microsoft, not to ARDI.
- It does, but it could run something better much more easily than DOS could.
- That's the only point.
-
- >An implementation of Executor, that accepts a Mac OS overlay (or is just a
- >hell of a lot more sys 7 like) tha can then be ported to all existing
- >platforms (and yes I suppose at some point W95) is a more valuable use of
- >time and resources than a W95 port. One of the reasons that ARDI has
- >upheld for not making their product _dependent_ on a Mac OS overlay (or
- >ROMS) is that it would then force us to buy those items at additional cost
- >to us.
- Um, the additional cost of Mac ROMs is an order of magnitude higher than a
- Win95 upgrade. You can't just buy them, you have to buy a Mac, first. But,
- to repeat myself again, you've got the development process wrong: to
- implement the "glue" that would allow AppleTalk, say, to interface with the
- PC's networking hardware would be much harder to write on an OS like DOS
- than on one of the non-DOS OSs under consideration. Better to use what
- non-DOS provide, allowing ARDI to move directly to the glue.
-
- >Now, I assume that there are a lot of registered owners of the _DOS_
- >version that already own Win 95. However the key element here is _DOS_. I
- >paid for a DOS application (emulator) not a Win 95 app. For ARDI to turn
- >around and say that implementing another platform is more important that
- >providing me with a better product would be a very bad move. I would be
- >more than tempted to request a refund. I suspect that Linux and Next users
- >would agree.
- You would be absolutely without license to request a refund. No product
- includes a guarantee of feature-enhancing upgrades, and only some include
- bug-fixing upgrades. This is an absolutely bizarre claim. If I buy a
- Honda, I expect it not to break, but I don't expect the dealer to make it a
- 1997 model next year even if I want one.
-
- --
- Scott Shuchart
- shuchart@fas.harvard.edu
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