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Received: from sloth.swcp.com (sloth.swcp.com [198.59.115.25]) by nacm.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA15138 for <executor@nacm.com>; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:39:37 -0700 Received: from iclone.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by sloth.swcp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id VAA07899; Mon, 17 Jul 1995 21:39:36 -0600 Received: from beaut.ardi.com by mailhost with smtp (nextstep Smail3.1.29.0 #11) id m0sY3Tb-000YbhC; Mon, 17 Jul 95 21:37 MDT Received: by beaut.ardi.com (linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sY3Tb-00005mC; Mon, 17 Jul 95 21:37 MDT Message-Id: <m0sY3Tb-00005mC@beaut.ardi.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 21:37 MDT From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford Thomas Matthews) To: Chris Hedberg <chrished@microsoft.com> Cc: executor@nacm.com Subject: RE: FTP for HFV, round 2 In-Reply-To: <9507172327.AA00681@netmail2.microsoft.com> References: <9507172327.AA00681@netmail2.microsoft.com> Sender: owner-paper@nacm.com Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Hedberg <chrished@microsoft.com> writes: Chris> There's been a lot of debate lately about having a Chris> user-upload HFV site. Cliff, would it be possible for you Chris> guys to have a "submit" directory, where folks could dump Chris> software. That way, you all would have time to verify Chris> copyright info, check that the programs work (minimally, Chris> anyway) and then swap them over to a user pickup _at your Chris> leisure_ (ha! Sorry, bad joke in your case). That's really the crux of it. Right now I spend large amounts of time answering e-mail, a bit of time processing orders/answering the phone and the rest of my time debugging and/or coding. I know of a variety of applications that we'd like to put in HFVs that wouldn't take that much time, but now, *especially* with Cotton in town, I think it's more important that we concentrate on getting apps that don't work to work rather than helping distribute apps that do work. After all, if you know the name and ftp site of an app that works, and you can pick it up as a .hqx file, running it through Stuffit Expander is probably all you need to do to install it. Chris> You could Chris> build one new .HFV of demos each month containing _only_ Chris> new stuff, and have one large one containing the sum of all Chris> the smaller ones for first-time downloaders and hard drive Chris> crash victims. We'z all out here to help you guys sell a Chris> better product. Well, the selling of 1.99<x> doesn't even cover the bills -- we do it mostly to keep people in the loop so we get the feedback we need. It defrays the bills, but we really need the killer demo to get the money to launch 2.0 the way it deserves to be launched. Right now, top priority is getting the minimal System 7 compatility stuff going and getting some of the big name apps running. Chirs> Keep telling us why you can't do it, and Chris> eventually we'll come up with a plan that can do it. Pardon Chris> me for sounding like a 50s movie extra. So, tell me Chris> specifically what's wrong with the above idea, and I'll get Chris> back to you. -Chris Hedberg If someone wants to set up a site independently of ARDI, if it's run with good intentions and adequate supervision, I'll mention that site in the FAQ. That will only require me to edit executor-faq.bfnn, recompile the FAQ and respond appropriately if there are any accusations of copyright abuse. I can squeeze *that* into my busy schedule. That's now the unofficial ARDI Web pages are done -- Jered Floyd had done it totally out of the goodness of his heart (http://vorlon.mit.edu/pub/arditop.html). --Cliff ctm@ardi.com