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Received: from sloth.swcp.com (sloth.swcp.com [198.59.115.25]) by nacm.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA20876 for <executor@nacm.com>; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 12:22:54 -0700 Received: from iclone.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by sloth.swcp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id NAA25278; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 13:22:52 -0600 Received: from beaut.ardi.com by mailhost with smtp (nextstep Smail3.1.29.0 #11) id m0sXClT-000YbCC; Sat, 15 Jul 95 13:20 MDT Received: by beaut.ardi.com (linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sXClQ-00005mC; Sat, 15 Jul 95 13:20 MDT Message-Id: <m0sXClQ-00005mC@beaut.ardi.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 95 13:20 MDT From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford Thomas Matthews) To: george portell iii <75567.716@compuserve.com> Cc: "executor@nacm." <executor@nacm.com> Subject: Re: Big Downloads In-Reply-To: <950712172316_75567.716_GHJ169-1@CompuServe.COM> References: <950712172316_75567.716_GHJ169-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-paper@nacm.com Precedence: bulk >>>>> "George" == george portell <75567.716@compuserve.com> writes: George> You guys are doing a great job! Minimal funding(of George> which I am a part sn#x),small staff despite this you have George> produced a great product. You even have a following(of George> which I am a part).So when you put out an update there George> MUCH use of the modem. I'm suprised that you still haven't George> downsized your download files. I believe most of your George> users could get by on just a .zip file of the exsystem.hfv George> ,executor.exe and any other updated files. It's a tradeoff. Without a nice program to automatically do all the udpates and verify that everyone indeed is current, it is just too likely that some people will misinstall, or have a mostly working version that just confuses us when we try to track down a bug. George> Putting these George> files where they belong and running the program isn't a George> big deal. What is a big deal is down loading the same George> demos and misc files each time. You can probably save George> yourself a little bit of hassle by separating your George> exdemos.hfv into your HFV directory. Yes, however, even if only five users do something totally unexpected and then send us e-mail with a problem that takes a half hour each to solve, that's a considerable fraction of a day (20%) spent on a problem that wouldn't occur if we used complete distributions. We try to get new experimental distributions out on other sites (vorlon, cs.unm.edu, sunsite, SimTel) so that ftp.ardi.com isn't the only place to get them. In addition, our BleedingEdge work allows us to get patches out faster with less stuff to download. However, 1.99o will still be a big (approx. 3 MB) distribution -- this isn't so bad for the folks who have fast internet connections, but it's a real pain for folks with 14.4 kb modems. Sorry about this, but we're trying to maximize our productivity over here, and full distributions make us more productive. George> Your HFV directory George> is an excellent idea.Can users contribute?If so how? The best way to contribute is to send suggestions for what to put out there. We will not allow people to put things in there directly; that's just an invitation for trouble. Even if 649 out of the 650 people on this list all do the right thing, one troublemaker (perhaps an inadvertant troublemaker) could cause us a lot of grief. BTW, since Vaune quit suddenly, it will take us a little while before we can get back to the HFV project. It may take us a month even, considering Hackathon I is upon us. George> A George> simple disclaimer in your log on, for those who don't know George> what "copyright" means, would be in order.I would post George> some useful shareware in zipped .hfv's.Users could upload George> you shareware that they would like to see running, in a George> different directory. A simple README zipped with each George> upload would probably be a good idea. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. I must say that it is very annoying that we *can't* just let people upload things themselves, because clearly we have very enthusiastic users who would easily help us out on their own time if we were to let them. Perhaps after we buy a copy of PGP we could build an automated system that would allow authenticated users to put things out there with no intervention. However, even that takes time and until Hackathon I is over, we can't do it, and even after Hackathon I is over, we'll probably be spending a lot of time courting the press with whatever version Hackathon I produces. I hate to be a wet blanket, but that's a byproduct of being overworked. There are just too many good projects that we can't look at yet. Remember, when 2.0 ships, we should have plenty more employees and be able to do lots more. That's why getting 2.0 out is the highest priority task over here. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com