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executor-digest           Wednesday, 12 July 1995      Volume 01 : Number=
 209


  In this issue:

    Re: CD-ROM drive...
    Support for netatalk style resources?
    Re: CD-ROM drive...
    Re: CD-ROM drive...
    Executor 1.99n4 bugs
    OS/2 and Executor works!
    Re: OS/2 Warp - Quicker way to Executor
    Space in Startup disk
    Problem with the executorlinux199n demo
    Re: Support for netatalk style resources?
    Re: Space in Startup disk
    Big Downloads
    1.99n4
    Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc...
    1.99n notes
    Found 1.99n4!
    Re: Space in Startup disk
    Re: Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc...
    Re: Space in Startup disk
    CD-ROM revisited...
    Re: Space in Startup disk
    1.99n4 problems
    Re: Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc...
    WriteNow 4.0 spacing problem solved...

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From: [e-mail] (Mat Hostetter)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 20:03 MDT
Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive...

>>>>> "Jason" =3D=3D Jason Best <[e-mail]> writes:

    Jason> Well, ever since 1.99n, I've tried to get Executor to read
    Jason> my CD-ROm drive...It will do DOS CDs fine, but I can't get
    Jason> it to read Mac disks...I currently have the latest Bleeding
    Jason> Edge update (199n4), and Have named the CD ROM drive J and
    Jason> H, it worked neither time...And the problem with it reading
    Jason> anything off the directories of the DOS CDs still
    Jason> exists...I haven't tried it with any otehr versions of
    Jason> Exec, as I just obtained the CDs...  I am running E/D
    Jason> 1.99n4 on a P-90, 8 meg RAM, 1 gig HD...

If you start Executor with a DOS CD in the CD-ROM drive, it treats
that drive as a DOS drive forever, even when you switch CD's.  This
isn't at all obvious.  Do you still lose when you start Executor with
a Mac CD in the drive?

- -Mat

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From: Alan Shutko <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 00:08:41 -0500
Subject: Support for netatalk style resources?

Are there any plans to support the netatalk (and I think CAP, but I am
not sure) method of storing AppleDouble files?  ie, putting the
resources in a .AppleDouble/ directory.  This would certainly make it
easier for people who have it running to interoperate with real macs,
as well as make it easier to install stuff.

Also, has anyone gotten the MS Office (4.2) install to work?  It just
segv's for me.  (E/L 1.99n)


=20

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:13:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive...

Well, who know, pretty soon this software will be the best on the market!=20
It is fast on a P-90. I have a 386SX/16MHZ and it runs SLOW, but I know=20
that is the problem. I have ran it but it keeps on giving me problems.=20
When it runs the video is normal (kinda slow type). Pretty soon this=20
software will be the PowerPc type software. BTW, can it multi-task, or=20
run mac games off the HD.

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Jason Best wrote:

> Well, ever since 1.99n, I've tried to get Executor to read my CD-ROm
> drive...It will do DOS CDs fine, but I can't get it to read Mac disks...I
> currently have the latest Bleeding Edge update (199n4), and Have named the=
 CD
> ROM drive J and H, it worked neither time...And the problem with it=
 reading
> anything off the directories of the DOS CDs still exists...I haven't tried=
 it
> with any otehr versions of Exec, as I just obtained the CDs...
> I am running E/D 1.99n4 on a P-90, 8 meg RAM, 1 gig HD...
> later
> -ocean
>=20

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From: Fred Salerno <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 01:41:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive...

I downloaded the newer EXE file for 1.99n DOS and it gives me the "run=20
out of memory error, try smaller applzone" now, which it didnt do with=20
the older 199n.

Also, if U se my PS2 mouse on it, executor freezes after 30 seconds or so...

I tried different mouse drivers. yet it works fine if I use my serial mouse.

Didnt have these 2 problems in 1.99n (July 4 build). Dunno why...

I also tried a clean boot, but that only solves the memory problem.


------------------------------

From: Hugh Mclenaghan <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:24:49 +0100
Subject: Executor 1.99n4 bugs

Hi,
    The Hard disk problems with executor are now fixed with 1.99n4 for DOS.
It will see
any directory on my hard-disks C & D.   I do have a CD rom drive which it
ONLY sees the root
directory of.  When you click on a subdirectory it shows up as an empty
directory even when
there are files in there.
 =20
    I am using MS DOS 6.2, 486DX2 66, 12MB RAM, Mitsumi Single Speed CD ROM,
any MS DOS CD.
=20
        Hugh McLenaghan

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sinnott)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 09:28:18 EDT
Subject: OS/2 and Executor works!

Ah-HAH! Finally found out why it doesn't work on my home PC.. Typically, I
keep a Audio CD in my Mitsumi, as I tend to listen to music while I work.
This is what was locking up my system. If I leave my default Audio CD (Best
of the Doors, disk 1...) in the CD, Executor will hit the A drive, then the
HD, then the CD-Rom will flash for a _very_ short time, and then the system
locks up. Note that I am not dumb enough to try to have it playing while I
run Executor. If I have a Mac or PC CD-Rom, no problem. It seems to be
OS/2-specific, too. Didn't happen when I booted to Dos and ran Executor a
few days ago.

Also, if I put in a "The Disc" from CD-Rom Today magazine (I highly
recommend it, $8 for a Mac & PC CD-Rom isn't bad), then it will create 2 new
drives in Loser, an "F" drive and a "The Disc" drive. See, those disks have
both Mac and Dos formats on them. I can access the Mac portion with no
problems, but if I try the "F" drive, no matter if I hit it before the Mac
part or not, Executor locks up. CD-Rom does not flash or anything, the
cursor freezes, and I have to task switch back to OS/2 and kill the Executor
VDM. I'm not sure about if it happens in Dos on this one.=20

All this is happening on 199n3, BTW. I'm downloading 199n4 as I type this.

But it's working on my home PC. Cool.

- -
Steve Sinnott
Networking and Operating Systems Specialist,
SCS Consulting Services, Inc.

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From: [e-mail] (Charles Hunter)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:31:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp - Quicker way to Executor

>=20
>         Just thought I'd mention a quicker way to get E/D1.99n up and
> running under OS/2 warp (although anyone who's struggled to get warp fully
> functional may already have worked it out!). Instead of the somewhat
> tiresome method of booting a virtual DOS session from floppy (I'm always
> misplacing the damned disk),  you can set up an DOS boot disk image file=
 on
> your hard disk & use it instead. This methods a bit quicker and a lot more
> convienient.=20
[ Docemented Disk image procedure deleted ]

This is good information and all, but why would anyone need to do it anyway?
E/D works under OS/2 normal dos sessions [ MDOS ] just fine.
In fact, I would recommend *not* running from disk image, as VMB's take
up alot more processing time than VDM's.

        A little confused,

            Charles Hunter

>=20
>=20
> Regards
> Kym.
>=20


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From: Sang Jin Hong <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:33:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Space in Startup disk

When I tried to install Maelstorm 1.4 in E/D.  I get this 'Insufficient
Space in Startup Disk to create Temporary file' (something like that)
error message.  I have made a 5 meg HFV, in which I tried this installer
(that comes with Maelstorm).  I am suspecting that Maelstorm wants to
craete a temp file in startup disk, my guess is in system volume.  How
can I increase ites capacity?  or am I totally off the wall?  Has anyone
try to install Maelstorm before?

Thanks.


.sjh.


------------------------------

From: Fredrik Nehr <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:45:58 +0200
Subject: Problem with the executorlinux199n demo

When I start executor the first screen appears ok, but when i click
the demo button the only thing that happens is that the computer starts
swapping, the executor process grows and grows until the computer dies
and I have to flip the power switch. This is my configuration:

486DX-33 16MB RAM 16MB Swap.
XFree86 3.1.1

I have tried with the following linux kernels:
1.3.9
1.2.11
1.2.0

The problem remains the same...


/FN

- -----------------------------------------------------------
Fredrik Nehr

IV DocEye AB        E-mail:    [e-mail]
Teknikringen 5         Phone:    [phone]
S-583 30 Link=F6ping       Fax:    [phone]
Sweden


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From: [e-mail] (Clifford Thomas Matthews)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 10:04 MDT
Subject: Re: Support for netatalk style resources?

>>>>> "Alan" =3D=3D Alan Shutko <[e-mail]> writes:

    Alan> Are there any plans to support the netatalk (and I think
    Alan> CAP, but I am not sure) method of storing AppleDouble files?
    Alan> ie, putting the resources in a .AppleDouble/ directory.
    Alan> This would certainly make it easier for people who have it
    Alan> running to interoperate with real macs, as well as make it
    Alan> easier to install stuff.

After 2.0 is out we'll look into supporting a wide variety of file
formats.  Apple's "Apple Double" format is so brain dead that most
programs that have to stor Mac files on a non-Mac filesystem use their
own format, and netatalk is just one example of this.  However, there
are so many of these (AUFS is different, uShare is different, etc.)
that right now we stick with the "standard" and will deal with the
others later.

    Alan> Also, has anyone gotten the MS Office (4.2) install to work?
    Alan> It just segv's for me.  (E/L 1.99n)

I don't think it works now.  Getting Word 6 and Excel 5 to run will be
fairly high priority over the next few weeks, although getting the
installers to go is less of a priority.

    --Cliff
    [e-mail]

=20

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Clifford Thomas Matthews)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 11:14 MDT
Subject: Re: Space in Startup disk

>>>>> "Sang" =3D=3D Sang Jin Hong <[e-mail]> writes:

    Sang> When I tried to install Maelstorm 1.4 in E/D.  I get this
    Sang> 'Insufficient Space in Startup Disk to create Temporary
    Sang> file' (something like that) error message.  I have made a 5
    Sang> meg HFV, in which I tried this installer (that comes with
    Sang> Maelstorm).  I am suspecting that Maelstorm wants to craete
    Sang> a temp file in startup disk, my guess is in system volume.
    Sang> How can I increase ites capacity?  or am I totally off the
    Sang> wall?  Has anyone try to install Maelstorm before?

Currently there are two major classes of application installers that
are known not to work with Executor.  Installers based on Apple's
Installer break, and installers based on Bill Goodman's "Smaller
Installer" also do not work.  An example of the former is Microsoft
Word 5's installer, an example of the latter is Maelstrom 1.4.

The exact reasons these installers is not known.  We have made some
progress with "Smaller Installer" based installers and hope to have
them running by the time 2.0 ships; we are less sure about Installers
based on Apple's installer.

The particular error message that Maelstrom's new installer produces
is misleading; there is nothing you as a user can to to make the
installer work -- it will require fixes made to Executor.

    --Cliff


------------------------------

From: george portell iii <[e-mail]>
Date: 12 Jul 95 13:23:17 EDT
Subject: Big Downloads

    You guys are doing a great job! Minimal funding(of which I am a part
sn#x),small staff despite this you have produced a great product. You even=
 have
a following(of which I am a part).So when you put out an update there MUCH=
 use
of the modem. I'm suprised that you=20
still haven't downsized your download files. I believe most of your users=
 could
get by on=20
just a .zip file of the exsystem.hfv ,executor.exe and any other updated=
 files.
Putting these
files where they belong and running the program isn't a big deal. What is a=
 big
deal is down
loading the same demos and misc files each time. You can probably save=
 yourself
a little bit of hassle by separating your exdemos.hfv into your HFV=
 directory.
    Your HFV directory is an excellent idea.Can users contribute?If so how?A
simple=20
disclaimer in your log on, for those who don't know what "copyright" means,
would be in
order.I would post some useful shareware in zipped .hfv's.Users could upload=
 you
shareware that they would like to see running, in a different directory. A
simple README zipped with
each upload would probably be a good idea.

            My two cents George=20


------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:03:06 -0400
Subject: 1.99n4

I also downloaded the new does executor file (1.99n4). Just before it gets=
 to
the splash screen  I get a  divide by zero.

------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Andrew Du)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:05:59 -0700
Subject: Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc...

Good day!

    I copied several sound effects from a Macintosh Quatra system.  Is=20
there a way to convert them to a pc compatible format?


------------------------------

From: Chad Page <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 1.99n notes

=09
    (I somehow haven't recieved any executor messages lately - I=20
resubsribed yesterday though.)

    I haven't spent much time with 1.99n, but I already have a couple=20
of thoughts :

    1.  When will the SVGAlib version be completed and released?  It=20
looks pretty close to hackathon time now...

    2.  I noticed that in 1.99n, the `animation' technique is now=20
used all the time with the new blitter.  It makes things a bit slower=20
under X-Windows, I'm afraid, than the cached approach used in 1.99m.

    3.  Pagemaker 4.2 still dosen't work - this time any attempt to=20
place a file will segfault right away. :(  I did notice the bug report=20
listed in bugs.199n though...

    4.  What is the current release schedule?  Will there be a 1.99o=20
before the hackathon?

    5.  Will there ever be any `alpha' releases or snapshots?  It=20
seems we all have to wait a while for new full releases to come out -=20
which are beta quality.  It would be nice to see more frequent releases -=20
even if they're buggier.  (as in 1.99n1, n2, n3) - the ones without=20
numbers being stabilized betas.

    Good luck - and Executor 2.0 looks like it will be really cool=20
when it comes out!  Keep it up!

    - Chad

------------------------------

From: Chad Page <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:41:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Found 1.99n4!

=09
    Well, scratch out the question about interim releases! Now it's time=20
to pull it down... :)

    - Chad

------------------------------

From: Fred Salerno <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:50:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Space in Startup disk

I believe you make another volume, load executor and copy all the=20
contents of the System volume into the new volume. Then exit executor and=20
delete the old system volume and rename the new HFV file as the system one.

I believe you have to do something like MKVOL NEW.HFV System 10000

Thats how I did it a while back.

On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Sang Jin Hong wrote:

> When I tried to install Maelstorm 1.4 in E/D.  I get this 'Insufficient
> Space in Startup Disk to create Temporary file' (something like that)
> error message.  I have made a 5 meg HFV, in which I tried this installer
> (that comes with Maelstorm).  I am suspecting that Maelstorm wants to
> craete a temp file in startup disk, my guess is in system volume.  How
> can I increase ites capacity?  or am I totally off the wall?  Has anyone
> try to install Maelstorm before?
>=20
> Thanks.
>=20
>=20
> .sjh.
>=20

------------------------------

From: Scott Shuchart <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:32:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc...

On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Andrew Du wrote:
> Good day!
>     I copied several sound effects from a Macintosh Quatra system.  Is=20
> there a way to convert them to a pc compatible format?

    The sound is in the %-fork.  It's in .sou format (or at least=20
that's what the sound editor I last used on them, Wired for Sound, called=20
them)--generally, "raw data."  There will be a "click" at the beginning=20
of the sound--and maybe at the end--due to all of the headers,=20
non-resource stuff, etc.  Edit those out, or cut-and-paste the good part=20
into a new file, save as a more common format (like .wav) and enjoy.
    You will probably have to adjust the speed of playback.  I've
noticed that Mac sounds are often slightly off-speed on a PC. Don't
remember the numbers, but I seem to remember that 11k/sec sounds are
really 11050/sec on the PC, but something else on the Mac, or something
like that.  I'm sure someone out here knows more about this.=20

Scott Shuchart
[e-mail]

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From: Sang Jin Hong <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:46:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Space in Startup disk

Excerpts from mail: 12-Jul-95 Re: Space in Startup disk by Fred
[e-mail]=20
> I believe you make another volume, load executor and copy all the=20
> contents of the System volume into the new volume. Then exit executor and=
=20
> delete the old system volume and rename the new HFV file as the system=
 one.
> =20
> I believe you have to do something like MKVOL NEW.HFV System 10000
> =20
> Thats how I did it a while back.

wait, were you able to install Maelstrom then?  Hmm, Cliff said there is
some problem installing it (using Smaller Installer engine).

Has anyone successfully installed Maelstrom?  or has an installed
version (from Mac)that works for E/D?


.sjh.

------------------------------

From: Jason Best <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:02:31 -0400
Subject: CD-ROM revisited...

   Well, I dunno what I did different, but it works now...I think that my
problem was this: With all the volumes/drives I had on my hotband, when I=20
loaded up the CD-ROM, the H:\ showed up, but the CD volume was outside of=
 the
hotband...So, it works now...the Grolier Encyclopedia works flawlessly! good
job guys!
However, dos CDs still won't show the insides of directories....And if you
have a CD with both DOS and Mac files, it'll only show the IBM files...
Sorry for the false alarm...:)
- -ocean

ps - Just having seen the message about "The Disk", that was what I was=
 trying
to run, only I could only access the DOS, not Mac...:)

------------------------------

From: Fred Salerno <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:12:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Space in Startup disk

No, I didnt try maelstrom. I tried Pagemaker, which puts the Aldus folder=20
in the system folder.

On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Sang Jin Hong wrote:

> Excerpts from mail: 12-Jul-95 Re: Space in Startup disk by Fred
> [e-mail]=20
> > I believe you make another volume, load executor and copy all the=20
> > contents of the System volume into the new volume. Then exit executor=
 and=20
> > delete the old system volume and rename the new HFV file as the system=
 one.
> > =20
> > I believe you have to do something like MKVOL NEW.HFV System 10000
> > =20
> > Thats how I did it a while back.
>=20
> wait, were you able to install Maelstrom then?  Hmm, Cliff said there is
> some problem installing it (using Smaller Installer engine).
>=20
> Has anyone successfully installed Maelstrom?  or has an installed
> version (from Mac)that works for E/D?
>=20
>=20
> .sjh.
>=20

------------------------------

From: Chad Page <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:42:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 1.99n4 problems

    I am experiencing segmentation faults every time I try to use=20
Shift-Alt-5 and after attempting to register my copy of Executor.  I'll=20
take a look again, however...

    - Chad

------------------------------

From: Jeffrey A Halverson <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:51:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc...

On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Andrew Du wrote:

> Good day!
>=20
>     I copied several sound effects from a Macintosh Quatra system.  Is=20
> there a way to convert them to a pc compatible format?
>=20
>=20

Yes, its quite easy, depending on what system you are copying these to.
I believe that a program called "sox" will convert these files, and is=20
available as source, compilable on any platform. =20

I use Linux, and the Lsox package available on sunsite.  All I ahve to do=20
is type
sox quack quack.au
and it will make an .au file that I can play.
sox quack quack.wav
makes a .wav file.

If you use DOS or OS/2, I think you can archie for something called sox=20
to do the same thing...

Jeff Halverson
[e-mail]


------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Bryan K. Baskin)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 18:08:14 EDT
Subject: WriteNow 4.0 spacing problem solved...

Hello Y'all,

Two things:

1)    I got the double spacing to work in WriteNow 4.0 without crashing.
You need to flush the cache. It slows down a bunch, but it seems to
have solved it. Colorizing a table still crashes E/D 1.99n3 though.

2)    Graphics seem to be faster in OS/2 than under pure DOS. With VBE
2.0 & DOS, E/D, Globe shows 510 fps. Under OS/2 and VBE 2.0, Globe
gets 565 fps. Also, disk IO seems less noticable, prolly due to better
cacheing on OS/2's part. Same applzones, etc.

Later.

Baskin            Co-Owner, Chief Technician=20
Team OS/2        Lil' Squiggle Computers
[e-mail] - UT Austin  =09

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