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- #: 12527 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 30-Aug-89 19:45:41
- Sb: #TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44
- To: anyone
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- We have a TCP/IP Internet - are there any products that would allow us to login
- to a Novell File Server over this Internet? I've heard of a Micom TCP/IP
- Gateway...any comments?? I also downloaded IPX-IP.txt, has anyone purchased
- this product - and if so - does it let you logon over the internet?
-
- Thanks,
-
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- #: 12587 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 30-Aug-89 23:28:30
- Sb: #12527-TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Dennis Beach 75400,327
- To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
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- Micom which is now Interlan Gateway only supports access from the LAN to the
- TCP/IP system. It does not support accessing the LAN.
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- #: 12606 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 31-Aug-89 01:49:01
- Sb: #12527-#TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Patrick Corrigan 75170,146
- To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
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- NetWare 386 will eventually allow TCP/IP (and other protocols) to be a peer to
- IPX/SPX. I'm not sure what this means about Internet access to NetWare
- servers, but maybe someone from Novell could comment.
-
- Patrick
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- #: 12838 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 01-Sep-89 04:51:09
- Sb: #12606-TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Jason Lamb [Novell] 76247,2301
- To: Patrick Corrigan 75170,146 (X)
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- NW386 will eventually support multiple network protocols in the server, so
- that, in the case of TCP/IP, TCP/IP workstations can access the Netware server.
-
- (The likely use of this would be in conjunction with some type of NFS NLM which
- would allow TCP/IP-NFS machines to communicate with the Netware server via
- TCP/IP, and do a NFS mount of the Netware drive on their machine)
-
- -jl-
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- #: 12837 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 01-Sep-89 04:50:52
- Sb: #12527-TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Jason Lamb [Novell] 76247,2301
- To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
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- Both commercial, and public domain products that run TCP/IP and IPX
- simultaneously at a PC workstation are for connecting to both Netware and
- TCP/IP hosts. You use IPX to connect to a Netware server, and TCP/IP to connect
- to a TCP/IP host. The Micom gateway lets a Netware server run the TCP/IP to a
- TCP/IP host FOR another PC workstation.
-
- You say that you have a TCP/IP internet. What you need to explore is some type
- of product that will let you route IPX packets over your internet. Like
- bridges/routers/brouters etc.
-
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- #: 12901 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 01-Sep-89 12:02:13
- Sb: #12527-#TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44
- To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
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- Jason, That is what I am looking for...Do You know of any products that support
- that type of bridge/routing ?? I'm especilly interested in a SW solution, one
- that would use to etherlink cards in a Novell File Server, 1 running IPX and
- the other routing TCP/IP. I'd be happy to leave a phone number/mailing address
- to get the info. Thanks ---
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- #: 12970 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 01-Sep-89 17:26:17
- Sb: #12901-TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Patrick Corrigan 75170,146
- To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
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- If I'm reading the information correctly, NetWare 386 should eventually provde
- that capability directly.
-
- Patrick
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- #: 12986 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 01-Sep-89 19:56:38
- Sb: #12901-TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Jason Lamb [Novell] 76247,2301
- To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
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- Darrell,
-
- If your intent is to stick a PC workstation somewhere on your TCP/IP internet,
- and have it be able to establish a connection to a Netware server, then the
- internet has to route both TCP/IP packets, (what it does now), and IPX packets.
-
- The product you need, depends on the configuration of your internet. If you
- have no bridges/routers/brouters between your intended WS location, and your
- intended server, you might not need anything. If you do have one of the
- aformentioned products then it needs to route both IPX and TCP/IP packets.
- (CISCO was pointed out by someone else in this thread and is just such an
- example..) You might be able to do it with Netware bridges, but if your
- internet is a common one, it would be very difficult.
-
- Having TCP/IP supported on an Etherlink card in your Netware server, buys you
- nothing. You would need some type of TCP/IP Netware shell for your PC, that
- could establish a connection with the server using TCP/IP. That would also
- require some type of software on the server as well. To my knowlegde there is
- no such product.
-
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- #: 13340 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 05-Sep-89 00:59:28
- Sb: #12901-#TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Robert Schloss (WPCorp) 75470,2713
- To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
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- Darrell.... I'm not sure (I've jumped in in the middle of this conversation),
- but there is a program by BYU that does both TCP/IP and IPX routing through an
- external bridge. It allows workstations to access both IPX and TCP servers on
- the ethernet backbone. I'll check my notes and get back to you this week. Let
- me know if this is simular to what you're looking for.
-
- Robert
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- #: 13474 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 05-Sep-89 16:31:09
- Sb: #13340-TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Donald G. Crawford 75170,1152
- To: Robert Schloss (WPCorp) 75470,2713 (X)
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- Robert,
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- The details are in PKT-TC.ARC in LIB 17, I do believe.
-
- Don
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- #: 12950 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 01-Sep-89 14:41:14
- Sb: #12527-#TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Mike Richey 76004,2032
- To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
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- cisco Systems Routers will pass IPX packets through their routers, as well as
- TCP/IP. There's a lot of overhead when using multiple protocols on the routers,
- and it tends to slow them down. The cisco products work very well, you can
- contact cisco systems at 800-553-2447, they're located in california.
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- #: 13463 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 05-Sep-89 14:27:44
- Sb: #12950-#TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44
- To: Mike Richey 76004,2032 (X)
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- Thanks for the feedback.... I am looking into the cisco router option....I'll
- post any info I find.
-
- I have 2 Novell Networks running over Ethernet. Also running, over the same
- Ethernet Cables, are TCP/IP and several other protocals (XNS...). I think, I am
- looking for a gateway at each end to convert the IPX into TCP/IP and back
- again. I do have Novell File servers at each end, and am looking for some type
- of internal bridge that would route the local IPX stuff accross the internet to
- the other Novell file server. But, and external bridge may be a good solution.
- A dedicated PC at each end that can handle the routing/conversion.
-
- I may just have to wait for 386 - and if so thats ok.
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- #: 13515 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 05-Sep-89 20:03:09
- Sb: #13463-#TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Timothy Lange 75410,525
- To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X)
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- There is a West German company that sells a hardware/software solution for
- bridging servers via TCP/IP. It also lets PCs on the IP network to login to a
- Netware server. I remember the cost is $1500 for a ethernet board and
- software. If you want exact info reply and I will look it all up.
-
- I seem to remember a posting on the Internet by someone at Wollongong that
- talked about encapsulating IPX packets into IP so the IP network would act as a
- bridge between servers. The network programmer here thought it would be a
- trivial task, but has not had the time to check it out.
-
- Tim Lange
-
- Purdue U. Computing Center/MATH Bldg/West Lafayette, IN 47907/(317)494-1787
- Arpanet & Bitnet=tim@j.cc.purdue.edu Easplex=>INTERNET:tim@j.cc.purdue.edu
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- #: 14037 (H) S11/Applications/Utils
- 08-Sep-89 19:50:21
- Sb: #13515-TCP/IP Gateways
- Fm: Brian Meek (Excelan) 73627,1671
- To: Timothy Lange 75410,525 (X)
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- I've heard of this West German company as well... but I don't have
- much info. I'd appreciate a pointer to them.
-
- Certainly, IPX/NCP over IP will be the best solution when offered with
- NetWare 386... I would guess that we'll see this first in a Portable NW
- implementation because it's a bit closer to being really protocol independent.
- Meanwhile, here's a possible kludge using TCP/IP based terminal servers
- and NetWare External Remote bridge software:
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- NetWare IPX and TCP/IP Ethernet (San Jose)
- ----------------------------------------------------------
- | | | |
- mux1 NW Ext. Remote Br. NW ServerA Host/IP router
- | 19.2K baud| |
- +-----------+ |
- (Asynch) |DDN Network
- |
- NetWare IPX and TCP/IP Ethernet (Provo) |
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
- | | | |
- mux2 NW Ext. Remote Br. NW ServerB Host/IP router
- ||||| |
- ||||+-----------+
- |||| (19.2K baud Asynch lines from mux)
- ||||
- NetWare Access Server
-
- A "Permanent Virtual Circuit" is established between serial ports on mux1
- and mux2 via TELNET protocols over TCP/IP, while NetWare Remote Bridge
- software uses the PVC to connect the remote LANs. This enables any NetWare
- client in San Jose or Provo to use attach to NetWare Server A or B.
- In addition, TCP/IP users in San Jose can establish TELNET sessions to mux2
- ports attached to the NetWare Access Server in Provo and run NetWare/DOS
- applications remotely.
-
- This should all work quite easily, I'll see if I can get someone here to
- test. Skip Addison said the current remote bridge async driver may not
- support required flow control, but I don't think that all terminal servers
- would require it anyway.
-
- brian
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- #: 15775 S2/ELS NetWare
- 20-Sep-89 07:45:56
- Sb: ELS-I Installation
- Fm: John Crook [Novell] 76702,420
- To: Don Singleton 76154,26 (X)
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- ..you have to realize that for your first installation you picked the version
- of Netware that could be a little m
- Inflating: TCPIP2.TXT <to console>
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- #: 5754 S8/ARCnet
- 12-Oct-88 21:29:17
- Sb: #5424-Arcnet Drawbacks?
- Fm: Glenn Fund (Sys*Op) 76704,63
- To: John T. McCann (WIZARD) 70007,3430
-
- Hey guys.... Probably the best and most comprehensive workstation TCP/IP
- product comes from FTP Software ($395) 617-868-4878. Most every ethernet and
- some other boards are supported. Most options available including FTP Server.
- Most of the other manufacturers do not have this option yet. This allows
- multiple file transfers to take place using wild cards and also supports
- directory functions to determine what is out there to get. You can load the
- FTP TCP/IP with your Novell shells. You should have no problems getting your
- SUN workstations to get data off of your Novell LANs..By the way, Micom
- licenses its workstation product from FTP. Many others do to. Get your TCP/IP
- from the guy (John Romkey) that wrote the original TCP/IP PC product for MIT.
- Most vendors, including IBM have "borrowed" this public domaign software and
- have enhanced it. -Glenn
-
- #: 7204 S14/TCP/IP,X.25,Email..
- 25-Oct-88 20:56:20
- Sb: #7035-tcp/ip fishing
- Fm: Glenn Fund (Sys*Op) 76704,63
- To: Len CONRAD, Paris 71251,462
-
- Len, I prefer the FTP TCP/IP implementation. Has more features and it is not
- restricted to Excelan or any other single board. You may run it on
- workstations with 3COM Cards, MICOM cards, Token Ring Cards, Proteon Cards...
- you get the idea. You do not need a Novell or other server for a TCP/IP
- workstation to work. It has its own unique TCP/IP address and name that it
- uses on the TCP/IP network. The FTP implementation is compatible with the
- Novell workstation shells, and both can be load simultaneously (ie you can have
- file transfers from the Novell server to/from remote VAXes, SUNS, orther PCs).
-
- I believe the FTP stuff will be cheaper for you to install too. Check 'em out.
- In the States, you can reach FTP at (617) 868-4878 (MA). -Glenn
-
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- Inflating: TCPIP1.TXT <to console>
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- #: 24949 S1/General Info/Help
- 01-Sep-88 12:44:02
- Sb: TCP/IP
- Fm: WILLIAM STACKPOLE 76666,774
- To: Rich Adams 70020,557 (X)
-
- We run Novell and TCP/IP to our Computer Vision System using Sytek ethernet
- cards and their multi-protocol converter. No problem. The local community
- college here uses Excelan cards to do the same thing only they take to an HP
- 3000 using TCP/IP and the Excelan card talks to both at the same time! No
- gateways on either of these systems. All accessible devices (i.e. Novell
- servers, minis, PCs) are connected to the same ethernet segment.
-
-
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- NOVELL OPEN SYSTEMS PRODUCTS PROVIDE INTERNETWORKING CONNECTIONS FOR
- NETWARE USERS
- NetWare Protocol Engine Supports TCP/IP and OSI Standards
-
- BOSTON, Mass., NETWORLD -- February 11, 1991 -- Novell, Inc., developer of
- NetWare systems software products, today underscored its commitment to
- industry standards and open systems networking by including a complete
- TCP/IP transport protocol implementation in the core NetWare v3.11 network
- operating system. The company also announced NetWare FTAM, a
- GOSIP-compliant file transfer implementation that links NetWare v3.11
- servers with the OSI networking environment.
-
- Novell's TCP/IP, implemented as a set of NetWare Loadable Modules (NLMs),
- is a platform for interoperable services among TCP/IP-compliant systems and
- applications. It also leverages the NetWare v3.11 modular architecture,
- which supports simultaneous multiple protocols and services, to integrate
- Novell's IPX protocols and TCP/IP traffic on the same network.
-
- "We're seeing more and more customers who need to integrate their NetWare
- environments with TCP/IP systems," said Bob Davis, director of product
- marketing at Novell's San Jose development center. "Including TCP/IP in
- the core operating system provides a seamless NetWare-TCP/IP integration
- solution, reaffirms Novell's ongoing commitment to industry standards and
- enhances NetWare's position as the most versatile and functional network
- computing platform on the market today."
-
- Novell's TCP/IP performs four primary functions:
-
- o Standard IP routing -- through Novell's TCP/IP, NetWare v3.11 supports
- dynamic IP routing, using TCP/IP's Routing Information Protocol (RIP),
- as well as static routing. TCP/IP packets can be routed across
- separate network segments of similar (e.g., Ethernet-to-Ethernet) or
- dissimilar (e.g., Ethernet-to-Token Ring) topologies.
-
- o NetWare services over TCP/IP -- NetWare can take advantage of IP
- routing to move IPX packets across the TCP/IP internet. This
- leverages existing IP infrastructures, such as campus or corporate
- backbones, and offers simplified network administration, since TCP/IP
- is the only protocol present on the wire.
-
- o Standard application development support -- Novell's TCP/IP includes
- TLI (Transport Link Interface), Socket Libraries and RPC (Remote
- Procedure Call) APIs (application programming interfaces), enabling
- interoperability with other standard TCP/IP implementations and giving
- programmers a familiar and consistent development environment.
-
- o Network management -- Novell's TCP/IP features an SNMP (Simple Network
- Management Protocol) agent, allowing NetWare v3.11 TCP/IP protocols to
- be administered by any network monitoring device that employs SNMP,
- such as Novell's LANtern network monitor.
-
- NetWare FTAM
-
- Novell also announced NetWare FTAM, a file transfer facility for exchanging
- data in a multi-vendor OSI (Open Systems Interconnection) environment.
- NetWare FTAM (File Transfer, Access and Management) is a server-based
- application for the NetWare v3.11 environment and runs at the application
- layer of a full seven-layer OSI protocol implementation. NetWare FTAM
- gives NetWare servers full participation on OSI-based internetworks,
- similar in nature to Novell's NetWare NFS in TCP/IP environments.
-
- As a result of Novell's participation in various domestic and international
- OSI standards bodies and compatibility testing organizations, such as
- OSINET and NIST (National Institute of Standards and Testing), NetWare FTAM
- is fully compliant with the United States' Government OSI Profile (GOSIP)
- specifications.
-
- "With US GOSIP 1.0, OSI has emerged as an important interconnection
- standard worldwide and Novell will continue to support it as it evolves,"
- Davis said. "NetWare FTAM, and the underlying OSI protocols, give our
- customers in government agencies and large corporate installations the
- ability to plan migration and coexistence strategies as OSI becomes more
- prevalent."
-
- Pricing and Availability
-
- Novell's TCP/IP implementation is included in the NetWare v3.11 operating
- system at no extra charge. In the United States and Canada, NetWare FTAM
- lists for U.S. $4995 and will be available in April 1991 from all Novell
- Platinum resellers and qualified Novell Gold resellers.
-
- For pricing outside the United States and Canada, customers should contact
- their local Novell Authorized reseller.
-
- Novell, Inc., (NASDAQ: NOVL) develops NetWare systems software products
- that manage and control the sharing of data across a variety of network
- computing environments, including computer workgroups, departmental
- networks and business-wide information systems.
-
- Contact:
-
- Kelli Christensen
- Novell, Inc.
- 801/429-5933
-
-