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John Lear has requested that the following file be published on
ParaNet.  It is our philosophy to encourage debate on paranormal
issues, no matter how controversial, and we welcome his input.  The
information contained in this file has not been verified by ParaNet,
nor do the opinions expressed herein necessarily reflect those of the
Administrator or other ParaNet staff members.

We can state, however, that John is who he says he is, and has
numerous contacts in sensitive positions that could conceivably allow
him access to information of this type.
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Statement Released By:

John Lear

December 29, 1987

John Lear, a captain for a major US Airline has flown over 160
different types of aircraft in over 50 different countries.  He holds
17 world speed records in the Lear Jet and is the only pilot ever to
hold every airline certificate issued by the Federal Aviation
Administration.  Mr. Lear has flown missions worldwide for the CIA and
other government agencies.  A former Nevada State Senator candidate,
he is the son of William P. Lear, designer of the Lear Jet executive
airplane, the 8-track stereo, and founder of Lear Siegler Corporation.
Lear became interested in the subject of UFO's 13 months ago after
talking with United States Air Force Personnel who had witnessed a UFO
landing at Bentwaters AFB, near London, England, and three small
aliens walking up to the Wing Commander.


Note to the Press:

     The government of the United States continues to rely on your
personal and professional gullibility to suppress the information
contained herein.  Your cooperation over the past 40 years has
exceeded our wildest expectations and we salute you.

"The sun does not revolve around the Earth"
"The United States Government has been in business with little gray
extraterrestrials for about 20 years"

The first truth stated here got Giordano Bruno burned at the stake in
AD 1600 for daring to propose that it was real.  The second truth has
gotten far more people killed trying to state it publicly than will
ever be known.

But the truth must be told.  The fact that the Earth revolves around
the sun was successfully suppressed by the church for over 200 years.
It eventually caused a major upheaval in the church, government, and
thought.  A realignment of social and traditional values.  That was in
the 1800's.

Now, about 400 years after the first truth was pronounced we must
again face the shocking facts.  The "horrible truth" the government
has been hiding from us over 40 years.  Unfortunately, the "horrible
truth" is far more horrible than the government ever imagined.

In its effort to protect democracy, our government sold us to the
aliens.  And here is how it happened.  But before I begin, I'd like to
offer a word in the defense of those who bargained us away.  They had
the best of intentions.

Germany may have recovered a flying saucer as early as 1939.  General
James H. Doolittle went to Sweden in 1946 to inspect a flying saucer
that had crashed there in Spitzbergen.

The "horrible truth" was known by only a very few persons: They were
indeed ugly little creatures, shaped like praying mantises and who
were more advanced than us by perhaps a billion years.  Of the
original group that were the first to learn the "horrible truth",
several committed suicide, the most prominent of which was General
James V. Forrestal who jumped to his death from a 16th story hospital
window.  General Forrestal's medical records are sealed to this day.

President Truman quickly put a lid on the secret and turned the screws
so tight that the general public still thinks that flying saucers are
a joke.  Have I ever got a surprise for them.

In 1947, President Truman established a group of 12 of the top
military scientific personnel of their time.  They were known as MJ-
12.  Although the group exists today, none of the original members are
still alive.  The last one to die was Gordon Gray, former Secretary of
the Army, in 1984.  As each member passed away, the group itself
appointed a new member to fill the position.  There is some
speculation that the group known as MJ-12 expanded to at least several
more members.

There were several more saucer crashes in the late 1940's, one in
Roswell, New Mexico, one in Aztec, New Mexico, and one near Laredo,
Texas, about 30 miles inside the Mexican border.

Consider, if you will, the position of the United States Government at
that time.  They proudly thought of themselves as the most powerful
nation on Earth, having recently produced the atomic bomb, an
achievement so stupendous, it would take Russia 4 years to catch up,
and only with the help of traitors to Democracy.  They had built a jet
aircraft that had exceeded the speed of sound in flight.  They had
built jet bombers with intercontinental range that could carry weapons
of enormous destruction.  The post war era, and the future seemed
bright.  Now imagine what it was like for those same leaders, all of
whom had witnessed the panic of Orson Wells' radio broadcast, "The War
of the Worlds", in 1938.  Thousands of Americans panicked at a
realistically presented invasion of Earth by beings from another
planet.  Imagine their horror as they actually viewed the dead bodies
of these frightening looking little creatures with enormous eyes,
reptilian skin and claw like fingers.  Imagine their shock as they
attempted to determine how these strange "saucers" were powered and
could discover no part even remotely similar to components they were
familiar with: no cylinders or pistons, no vacuum tubes or turbines or
hydraulic actuators.  It is only when you fully understand the
overwhelming helplessness the government was faced with in the late
40's that you can comprehend their perceived need for a total,
thorough, and sweeping cover up, to include the use of "deadly force".

The cover-up was so successful that as late as 1985 a senior scientist
with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, Dr. Al
Hibbs, would look at a video tape of an enormous flying saucer and
state the record, "I'm not going to assign anything to that (UFO)
phenomena without a lot more data".  Dr. Hibbs was looking at the
naked emperor and saying, "He certainly looks naked, but that doesn't
prove he's naked."

In July of 1952, a panicked government watched helplessly as squadron
of "flying saucers" flew over Washington, D.C., and buzzed the White
House, the Capitol Building, and the Pentagon.  It took all the
imagination and intimidation the government could muster to force that
incident out of the memory of the public.

Thousands of sightings occurred during the Korean war and several more
saucers were retrieved by the Air Force.  Some were stored at Wright-
Patterson Air Force Base, some were stored at Air Force bases near the
location of the crash sight.

One saucer was so enormous and the logistic problems in transportation
so enormous that it was buried at the crash sight and remains there
today.  The stories are legendary on transporting crashed saucers over
long distances, moving only at night, purchasing complete farms,
slashing through forests, blocking major highways, sometimes driving 2
and 3 lo-boys in tandem with and extraterrestrial load a hundred feet
in diameter.

On April 30, 1964, the first communication between these aliens and
the U.S. Government took place at Holloman Air Force Base in New
Mexico.  3 saucers landed at a prearranged area and a meeting was held
between the aliens and intelligence officers of the U.S. Government.

During the period of 1969-1971, MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government
made a deal with these creatures, called EBE's (Extraterrestrial
Biological Entities, named by Detley Bronk, original MJ-12 member and
6th President of Johns Hopkins University).  The "deal" was that in
exchange for "technology" that they would provide to us, we agreed to
"ignore" the abductions that were going on and suppress information on
the cattle mutilations.  The EBE's assured MJ-12 that the abductions
(usually lasting about 2 hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring of
developing civilizations.

In fact, the purposes for the abductions turned out to be:

(1)  The insertion of a 3mm spherical device through the nasal cavity
of the abductee into the brain.  the device is used for the biological
monitoring, tracking, and control of the abductee.

(2)  Implementation of Posthypnotic Suggestion to carry out a specific
activity during a specific time period, the actuation of which will
occur within the next 2 to 5 years.

(3)  Termination of some people so that they could function as living
sources for biological material and substances.

(4)  Termination of individuals who represent a threat to the
continuation of their activity.

(5)  Effect genetic engineering experiments.

(6)  Impregnation of human females and early termination of
pregnancies to secure the crossbreed infant.


The U.S. Government was not initially aware of the far reaching
consequences of their "deal".  They were led to believe that the
abductions were essentially benign and since they figured the
abductions would probably go on anyway whether they agreed or not,
they merely insisted that a current list of abductees be submitted, on
a periodic basis, to MJ-12 and the National Security Council.  Does
this sound incredible?  An actual list of abductees sent to the
National Security Council?  Read on, because I have news for you.

The EBE's have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is
atrophied and not functional.  Some speculate that they were involved
in some type of accident or nuclear war, or possibly on the back side
of an evolutionary genetic curve.  In order to sustain themselves they
use an enzyme or hormonal secretion obtained from the tissue that they
extract from humans and animals. (Note: Cows and Humans are
genetically similar.  In the event of a national disaster, cow's blood
can be used by humans.)

The secretions obtained are then mixed with hydrogen peroxide and
applied on the skin by spreading or dipping parts of their bodies in
the solution.  The body absorbs the solution, then excretes the waste
back through the skin.  The cattle mutilations that were prevalent
throughout the period from 1973 to 1983 and publicly noted through
newspaper and magazine stories and included a documentary produced by
Linda Howe for the Denver CBS affiliate KMGH-TV, were for the
collection of these tissues by the aliens.  The mutilations included
genitals taken, rectums cored out to the colon, eyes, tongue, and
throat all surgically removed with extreme precision.  In some cases
the incisions were made by cutting between the cells, a process we are
not yet capable of performing in the field.  In many of the
mutilations there was no blood found at all in the carcass, yet there
was no vascular collapse of the internal organs.  This has been also
noted in the human mutilations, one of the first of which was Sgt.
Jonathan P. Louette at the White Sands Missile Test Range in 1956, who
was found three days after an Air Force Major had witnessed his
abduction by a "disk shaped" object at 0300 while on a search for
missile debris downrange.  His genitals had been removed, rectum cored
out in a surgically precise "plug" up to the colon, eyes removed and
all blood removed with, again, no vascular collapse.  From some of the
evidence it is apparent that this surgery is accomplished, in most
cases, while the victim, animal or human, is still alive.

The various parts of the body are taken to various underground
laboratories, one of which is known to be near the small New Mexico
town of Dulce.  This jointly occupied (CIA-Alien) facility has been
described as enormous, with huge tiled walls that "go on forever".
Witnesses have reported huge vats filled with amber liquid with parts
of human bodies being stirred inside.

After the initial agreement, Groom Lake, one of this nations most
secret test centers, was closed for a period of about a year, sometime
between about 1972 and 1974, and a huge underground facility was
constructed for and with the help of the EBE's.  The "bargained for"
technology was set in place but could only be operated by the EBE's
themselves.  Needless to say, the advanced technology could not be
used against the EBE's themselves, even if needed.

During the period between 1979 and 1983 it became increasingly obvious
to MJ-12 that things were not going as planned.  It became known that
many more people (in the thousands) were being abducted than were
listed on the official abduction lists.  In addition it became obvious
that some, not all, but some of the nation's missing children had been
used for secretions and other parts required by the aliens.

In 1979 there was an altercation of sorts at the Dulce laboratory.  A
special armed forces unit was called in to try and free a number of
our people trapped in the facility, who had become aware of what was
really going on.  According to one source, 66 of the soldiers were
killed and our people were not freed.

By 1984, MJ-12 must have been in stark terror at the mistake they had
made in dealing with the EBE's.  They had subtly promoted "Close
Encounters of the Third Kind" and "E.T." to get the public used to
"odd looking" aliens that were compassionate, benevolent and very much
our "space brothers".  MJ-12 "sold" the EBE's to the public, and were
now faced with the fact that quite the opposite was true.  In
addition, a plan was formulated in 1968 to make the public aware of
the existence of aliens on earth over the next 20 years to be
culminated with several documentaries to be released during 1985-1987
period of time.  These documentaries would explain the history and
intentions of the EBE's.  The discovery of the "Grand Deception" put
the entire plans, hopes and dreams of MJ-12 into utter confusion and
panic.

Meeting at the "Country Club", a remote lodge with private golf
course, comfortable sleeping and working quarters, and its own private
airstrip built by and exclusively for the members of MJ-12, it was a
factional fight of what to do now.  Part of MJ-12 wanted to confess
the whole scheme and shambles it had become to the public, beg their
forgiveness and ask for their support.  The other part (and majority)
of MJ-12 argued that there was no way they could do that, that the
situation was untenable and there was no use in exciting the public
with the "horrible truth" and that the best plan was to continue the
development of a weapon that could be used against the EBE's under the
guise of "SDI", the Strategic Defense Initiative, which had nothing
whatsoever to do with a defense for inbound Russian nuclear missiles.
As these words are being written, Dr. Edward Teller, "father" of the
H-Bomb is personally in the test tunnels of the Nevada Test Site,
driving his workers and associates in the words of one, "like a man
possessed".  And well he should, for Dr. Teller is a member of MJ-12
along with Dr. Kissenger, Admiral Bobby Inman, and possibly Admiral
Poindexter, to name a few of the current members of MJ-12.

Before the "Grand Deception" was discovered and according to a
meticulous plan of metered release of information to the public,
several documentaries and video tapes were made.  William Moore, a
Burbank, California, based UFO researcher who wrote "The Roswell
Incident", a book published in 1980 that detailed the crash, recovery
and subsequent cover-up of a UFO with 4 alien bodies, has a video tape
of 2 newsmen interviewing a military officer associated with MJ-12.
This military officer answers questions relating to the history of MJ-
12 and the cover-up, the recovery of a number of flying saucers and
the existence of a live alien (one of 3 living aliens captured and
designated, or named, EBE-1, EBE-2, and EBE-3, being held in a
facility designated as YY-II at Los Alamos, New Mexico.  The only
other facility of this type, which is electromagnetically secure, is
at Edwards Air Force Base in Mojave, California).  The officer names
those previously mentioned plus a few others:  Harold Brown, Richard
Helms, Gen. Vernon Walters, JPL's Dr. Lew Allen and Dr. Theodore von
Karman, to name a few of the current and past members of MJ-12.

The officer also relates the fact that the EBE's claim to have created
Christ.  The EBE's have a type of recording device that has recorded
all of Earth's history and can display it in the form of a hologram.
This hologram can be filmed but because of the way holograms work does
not come out very clear on movie film or video tape.  The crucifixion
of Christ on the Mount of Olives has allegedly been put on film to
show the public.  The EBE's claim to have created Christ, which, in
view of the "Grand Deception", could be an effort to disrupt
traditional values for undetermined reasons.

Another video tape allegedly in existence is an interview with an EBE.
Since EBE's communicate telepathically, an Air Force Colonel serves as
an interpreter.  Just before the recent stock market correction in
October of 1987, several newsmen, including Bill Moore, had been
invited to Washington, D.C., to personally film the EBE in a similar
type interview, and distribute the film to the public.  Apparently,
because of the correction in the market, it was felt the timing was
not propitious.  In any case, it certainly seems like an odd method to
inform the public of extraterrestrials, but it would be in keeping
with the actions of a panicked organization who at this point in time
doesn't know which way to turn.

Moore is also in possession of more Aquarius documents, a few pages of
which leaked out several years ago and detailed the supersecret NSA
project which had been denied by them until just recently.  In a
letter to Senator John Glenn, NSA's Director of Policy, Julia B.
Wetzel, wrote, "Apparently there is or was an Air Force project with
that name (Aquarius) which dealt with UFO's.  Coincidently, there is
also an NSA project by that name." NSA's project Aquarius deals
specifically with the "communications with the aliens" (the EBE's).
Within the Aquarius program was project "Snowbird", a project to test-
fly a recovered alien aircraft at Groom Lake, Nevada.  This project
continues today at that location.  In the words of an individual who
works at Groom Lake, "Our people are much better at taking things
apart than they are at putting them back together."

Moore, who claims he has a contact with MJ-12, feels that they have
been stringing him along, slipping him documents and providing him
leads, promising to go public with some of the information on
extraterrestrials by the end of 1987.

Certain of Moore's statements lead one to believe that Moore himself
is a government agent working for MJ-12, not to be strung along, but
string along ever hopeful UFOlogists that the truth is just around the
corner.  Consider:

1.   Moore states emphatically that he is not a government agent,
although when Lee Graham (a Southern California based UFOlogist) was
investigated by DIS (Defense Investigative Service) for possession of
classified documents received from Moore, Moore himself was not.

2.   Moore states emphatically that the cattle mutilations of 1973-
1983 were a hoax by Linda Howe (producer of "A Strange Harvest") to
create publicity for herself.  He cites the book "Mute Evidence" as
the bottom line of the hoax.  "Mute Evidence" was a government
sponsored book to explain the mutilations in conventional terms.

3.   Moore states that the U.S.A.F. Academy physics book,
"Introductory Space Science", vol. II chapter 13, entitled
"Unidentified Flying Objects", which describes four of the most
commonly seen aliens (one of which is the EBE) was written by Lt. Col.
Edward R. Therkelson and Major Donald B. Carpenter, Air Force
personnel who did not know what they were talking about and were
merely siting "crackpot" references.  He, Moore, states that the book
was withdrawn to excise the chapter.

If the government felt they were being forced to acknowledge the
existence of aliens on Earth because of the overwhelming evidence such
as the October and November sightings in Wytheville, Va., and recently
released books such as "Night Siege" (Hynek, J. Allen;Imbrogno,
Phillip J.;Pratt, Bob:Night Siege, Ballantine Books, Random House, New
York), and taking into consideration the "grand deception" and
obviously hostile intentions of the EBE's, it might be expedient for
MJ-12 to admit the EBE's but conceal the information on the
mutilations and abductions.  If MJ-12 and Moore were in some kind of
agreement then it would be beneficial to Moore to toe the party line.
For example, MJ-12 would say... "here are some more genuine
documents... but remember... no talking about the mutilations or
abductions".  This would be beneficial to Moore as it would supply the
evidence to support his theory that E.T.'s exist but deny the truths
about the E.T.'s.  However, if Moore was indeed working for MJ-12, he
would follow the party line anyway... admitting the E.T.'s but pooh
poohing the mutilations and abductions.  If working alone, Moore might
not even be aware of the "grand deception".

Time will tell.  It is possible that Moore will go ahead and release
the video interview with the military officer around the first of the
year, as he has promised.  From MJ-12's point of view, the public
would be exposed to the information without really having to believe
it because Moore is essentially not as credible a source as, say, the
President of the United States.  After a few months of digestion and
discussion, a more credible source could emerge with a statement that,
"yes, in fact the interview was essentially factual".  This scenario
would cushion somewhat the blow to the public.  If, however, Moore
does not release the tape by, say, February 1 of 1988, but comes
instead with a story similar to:  "MJ-12 has informed me that they are
definitely planning a release of all information by October of 88.  I
have seen the plan and have seen the guarantee that this will happen,
so I have decided to withhold the release of my video tape at this
time as it may cause some problems with MJ-12's plans." This would in
effect buy more time for MJ-12 and time is what they desperately need.

Now you ask, "Why haven't I heard about any of this?" Who do you think
you would hear it from?  Dan Rather?  Tom Brokaw?  Sam Donaldson?
Wrong.  These people just read the news, they don't find it.  They
have ladies who call and interview witnesses and verify statements on
stories coming over the wire (either AP or UPI).  It's not like Dan
Rather would go down to Wytheville, Virginia, and dig into why there
were 4 THOUSAND reported sightings in October and November of 1987.
Better that Tom Brokaw or someone else should risk their credibility
on this type of story.  Tom Brokaw?  Tom wants Sam Donaldson to risk
his credibility.  No one, but no one, is going to risk their neck on
such outlandish ideas, regardless of how many people report sightings
of 900 foot objects running them off the road.  In the case of the
Wytheville sightings, dozens of vans with NASA lettered on the side
failed to interest newsmen.  And those that asked questions were
informed that NASA was doing a weather survey.

Well then, you ask, what about our scientists?  What about Carl Sagan?
Isaac Asimov?  Arthur C. Clarke?  Wouldn't they have known?  If Carl
Sagan knows then he is committing a great fraud through the
solicitation of memberships in the Planetary Society, "to search for
extraterrestrial intelligence".  Another charade into which the U.S.
Government dumps million of dollar every year is the radio telescope
in Arecibo, Puerto Rico, operated by Cornell University with - guess
who? - Carl Sagan.  Cornell is ostensibly searching for signals from
Outer Space, a sign maybe, that somebody is out there.  It is hard to
believe that relatively intelligent astronomers like Sagan could be so
ignorant.

What about Isaac Asimov?  Surely the most prolific science fiction
writer of all time would have guessed by now that there must be an
enormous cover-up?  Maybe, but if he knows he's not saying.  Perhaps
he's afraid that "Foundation" and "Empire" will turn out to be
inaccurate.

What about Arthur C. Clarke?  Surely the most technically accurate of
Science Fiction writers with very close ties to NASA would have at
least a hint of what's really going on.  Again, if so he isn't
talking.  In a recent Science Fiction survey, Clarke estimates that
contact with extraterrestrial intelligent life would not occur before
the 21st Century.

If the government won't tell us the truth and the major networks won't
even give it serious consideration, then what is the big picture,
anyway?  Are the EBE's, having done a hundred thousand or more
abductions (possibly millions worldwide), built an untold number of
secret underground bases (Groom Lake, Nevada; Sunspot, Datil, Roswell,
and Pine Town, New Mexico, just to name a few) getting ready to return
to wherever they came from?  Or, form the obvious preparations are we
to assume that they are getting ready for a big move?  Or is the more
sinister and most probable situation that the invasion is essentially
complete and it is all over but the screaming?

A well planned invasion of Earth for it's resources and benefits would
not begin with mass landings of ray-gun equipped aliens.  A properly
planned and executed invasion by a civilization thousands and probably
hundreds of thousands of years in advance of us would most likely be
complete before even a handful of people (say 12?) realized what was
happening.  No fuss, no muss.  The best advice I can give you is this:
Next time you see a flying saucer and are awed by its obvious display
of technology and gorgeous lights of pure color - RUN LIKE HELL!

>    Rick Dell'aquill is a ParaNet member from Seven Hills, Ohio and
State Section Director for the Mutual UFO Network in Cuyahoga County.
He is a practicing attorney and has contributed articles to the MUFON
UFO Journal.  Again, his views as presented here does not necessarily
reflect those of ParaNet
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     In a recent series of uploads provided to Freenet by Dale Wedge
and Jim Speiser of Paranet, a December 29, 1987 statement by John Lear
was quoted.  Mr. Lear is a reputable and apparently highly qualified
airline pilot with impressive credentials.  Every so often one finds
something in UFOlogy which is simply staggering in its implications
but valueless without supporting evidence and therefore, "hard to
swallow." Although he should be admired for his courage in presenting
this information (obtained from various "sources") without hard
objective evidence, Mr. Lear's statement can only be regarded as
interesting reading without evidentiary support.  In short, he sets a
nice table but leaves us waiting for dinner.
>>

     Were it not for his credentials and ParaNet's assurance of his
"numerous contacts in sensitive positions," the otherwise outlandish
claims he makes could be dismissed as entertaining fiction.  However,
Mr. Lear's character and reputation require that greater consideration
be given to his statement.  >>

     In summary, Mr. Lear contends that our government has for over 40
years been concealing from the public a "horrible truth" concerning an
"invasion" of Earth by EBEs (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities).
He alleges that the U.S. government has conducted "business with
little gray extraterrestrials for about 20 years," i.e. we were "sold"
by MJ-12 to the aliens in exchange for technology and to preserve our
democracy.  He contends that our government agreed to ignore
human/cattle abductions and mutilations, but that the deeply sinister
purposes of these activities were not completely understood by MJ-12
until about 1984.  >>

     Without explaining the EBE's reason(s) to do business with the
most powerful nation on Earth when they could covertly continue their
activities in the Third World without concern, or why these advanced
and powerful aliens would even want or require our "agreement" to
continue their activities, Mr. Lear maintains that the purposes of the
abductions are:

(1)  The insertion of a 3mm spherical device through the nasal cavity
of the abductee into the brain.  The device is used for the biological
monitoring, tracking, and control of the abductee.

(2)  Implementation of Posthypnotic Suggestion to carry out a specific
activity during a specific time period, the actuation of which will
occur within the next 2 to 5 years.

(3)  Termination of some people so that they could function as living
sources for biological material and substances. (Why not cadavers?)

(4)  Termination of individuals who present a threat to the
continuation of their activity.

(5)  Effect genetic engineering experiments.

(6)  Impregnation of human females and early termination of
pregnancies to secure the crossbreed infant.
>>

     He cites the history of UFOlogy in the 40's and 50's, contending
that several crashed saucers and at least 3 live aliens have been
captured and hidden by the government.  But would such a powerful
adversary permit humans to hold, study and possibly copy crashed
saucers or permit us to keep captured aliens, or would they simply
take them back?  >>

     The EBEs are said to suffer from an atrophied digestive system
which requires that they sustain themselves by absorbing through the
skin a solution made from certain enzyme/hormonal secretions derived
from cattle and humans and collected by ghoulish cattle and human
mutilations.  The various body parts said to be obtained in this
manner are then supposed to be taken for processing to various hidden
laboratories jointly maintained by the aliens and CIA in the
Southwestern U.S.  Although this description of the alien's atrophied
digestive tract agrees with alleged autopsies of dead aliens (reported
by Stringfield, et al).  It is difficult to accept that in at least
2000 years of genetic engineering on cattle and humans, the aliens
have not collected enough material to maintain their own "livestock"
and feed themselves without CIA cooperation.
>>

     Mr. Lear maintains that a 20 year plan for release of UFO
information to the public (including the history and intentions of the
EBE's) to be completed by 1987-88, was terminated when the "horrible
truth" became apparent.  Indeed, during the first year of the Carter
Administration, various media sources, including Walter Cronkite on
the "CBS Evening News" and " U.S. News and World Report," reported
that before the end of that year the administration was to release UFO
information of a "startling" nature.  The information was never
released.  He contends that "Star Wars" is in reality a defensive
response to the EBEs, not Soviet nuclear missiles, but does not
explain why the EBEs permit us to continue with SDI studies that pose
a threat to them.
>>

     Among the many manipulations of human history said to be
perpetrated by the aliens, they maintain that Jesus was their creation
and that his crucifixion has been recorded in an alien holographic
videotape.  There are also said to be other recordings by humans,
including an interview of an alien which is translated by an Air Force
Colonel and other tapes said to be held by UFO investigator William
Moore.  It is difficult to understand why such a superior race,
capable of manipulating human civilization for a minimum of 2000
years, would wait to subjugate the planet for that same period.  At
the time of Christ, our most advanced missile system was the
"slingshot." We are now capable of nuclear "suicide." Insane as that
would be, their food supply would go up with us.
>>

     Further evidence should be interesting and will be anxiously
awaited.
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What follows is a direct transcript used with permission, of an
interview I conducted with John Lear, author of Lear.txt in the files
section.  Hopefully, this interview will answer some of your questions
as well as some of mine.

Brad Langton 02-Feb-88 approx. 1:30AM to 3:30AM


<LANGTON> Ok, we're "live" so to speak... you just mentioned that
there were 70 other species in contact with this world... of which 4
others were overt...are they aware of the EBE's?

<LEAR> Yes they are.  The types I will mention are listed in a USAF
Academy Physics book called Introductory Space Science Volume 2.  I
refer to Chapter 13 about page 8 which lists the ones that are most
seen.  They are the EBE's the "blondes". (also called the Nordics).
They look just like us but are invariably blonde haired and blue eyed.
Don't know where they come from but they do not interact with us
except for a few abductions now and then.

<LEAR> We also have a species that is similar to us in appearance but
they are about 7 ft tall and the main difference is that their eyes
wrap around the head a little more than ours.  Another type listed is
a small species about 4 ft. tall, very hairy and extremely strong for
their size.  We don't know where these guys come from either.  All
this was in the aforementioned text which was withdrawn by the Air
Force in the early 70's from the book.  But there are several people
that have the original book.  The EBE's are about the only ones where
we are pretty sure where they come from and that is Zeta Reticuli 1 &
2, a binary star system visible only from the southern hemisphere,
spectral class of G 2 and 38 light years from here.  It is possible
that they use some form of the Einstein Rosen Bridge theory (wormholes
in space) to get here.  We know all this from the work that Marjorie
Fish did in the in the early 70's.  There is a good article about it
in Astronomy Magazine Dec 1974.  There was also a reprint of this
article in 1976 which had all the comments and rebuttals and rebuttals
to rebuttals by Carl Sagan, Bob Schaefer etc etc.

<LANGTON> I remember reading about the characterizations of ET's that
you have described about 25 years ago.  I also recall a book by a
George Adamski or Adamson... not sure which, regarding these golden
haired aliens.  In the Interrupted Journey, I believe it was Betty
Hill that under hypnosis revealed many of the invasive techniques used
on abductees.  Also, Perhaps it was in the article on the Zeti
Reticuli Incident that a woman under hypnosis reconstructed a 3D model
of the Zeta Star system with the relative positions of the other stars
as they would have appeared as established by computer modeling.  I
guess one of the primary questions is, if there are other forms
visiting and/or interacting with humans, are they completely
insensitive to these "arrangements" put out by the EBE's with the
government?

<LEAR> This may be hard to swallow but its my information from
government sources that the blondes adhere to a universal law of non-
interference and even though the EBE's are not doing us any favors
that they, the Blondes will not do anything about it unless the EBE's
do something that will affect another part of the universe.  Back to
Adamski.  He has been labeled as a fraud however like all things
nothing is all black or all white.  Some of his stuff was true.  But
its hard to separate which stuff.  He claimed that the Blondes came
from Venus or Mars which is highly, highly unlikely.  As far as the
map it was drawn by Betty Hill under hypnosis in 2 D.  It was Majorie
Fish that did the interpretation to bring it into 3 D.

<LANGTON> I was uncertain about who exactly was the originator of the
map, so I gather that the map must necessarily be a matter of
speculation regarding its veracity as well.  I'm curious also as to
the government's plans, if any, to deal with an uprising of EBEs
should that eventuality occur... or would the technological gap make
such an attempt untenable.

<LEAR> It's my understanding that we have already lost the battle.
This is the reason why MJ-12 is in such a panic.  They had a lot of
well laid plans to inform us etc. etc. and when the deception was
confirmed about 1984 it was all out the window.  Back to Betty Hill
for a minute...under hypnosis she recalled being given a pregnancy
test...a needle was inserted in her stomach.  She recalls saying that
this was no pregnancy test here on earth (1962)

<LEAR> Amniocentesis was developed around 1972-1973 and uses the exact
same procedures.  In 1986 a British doctor had given an amniocentesis
to a woman and was looking at the fluid under a microscope.  He saw a
tiny speck and started enlarging it.  When he got it big enough to see
what he found was what looked like a computer chip attached to one of
the chromosomes.  This doctor and 6 others wrote an open letter in
Nature Magazine, one of Britains' most respected scientific journals,
along with a picture of the chip, and asked any doctor or scientist
anywhere that could held explain what they were seeing.  If you do not
have a copy of this page, I can send it to you.

<LANGTON> That would be helpful.  Also the Vol, issue, date etc.
Recently in the INF treaty negotiations, Gorbachev indicated that
despite prior claims, they too were working on an SDI program...  Is
there any connection between our program and theirs and if the battle
is lost, why are these attempts being made?

<LEAR> I wish I knew the answer to that.  Several rumors have come out
of the test site recently and one of them was that every test shot
this year has been to make a giant room.  The shots are very clean and
as soon as everything subsides they move in equipment to make walls,
ceiling, floors and various levels.

<LANGTON> Several critics have highlighted the apparent discrepancies
between our medical technology and that of the EBEs as to synthesizing
plasma material.  Also, technological gaps between our cultures
suggest that solicitation of indigenous humans for their undertakings
seems akin to asking help from chimpanzees... my analogy... what about
these concerns?

<LEAR> All of these questions are valid and show a lot of thought.
All I know is what I wrote.  Its very hard to speculate the reasons
why or why not a species almost a billion years older than us would do
anything.  This is not a cop-out...I just don't know and don't want to
guess.

<LANGTON> Given that material that you have access to is ambiguous on
some of these issue and that there may be a hidden agenda on the part
of the EBEs regarding the purposes for their being here, is it not
also possible that, assuming there is a "truth" here, which I'm sure
you understand, must remain unsubstantiated in the absence of hard
data, that the government may also, unknown to you or perhaps others
"in the know," a failsafe mechanism to undermine this whole EBE
project if the need should arise?

<LEAR> Its my understanding from those 'in the know;' (and as late as
one week ago) that the situation is 'ominous'.


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<LANGTON> Please understand my pauses... have to consider the next
question...

<LEAR> Ok, meantime looking for the date and issue of Nature.

<LANGTON> I recall now, one of my users requested information on the
"Roswell Incident" and if it were in any way tied to any of this?

<LEAR> Yes, the Roswell crash was the first recovered flying saucer
crash in the U.S.  Bill Moore located 90 material witnesses to the
crash.  It was near Corona, N.M. and a few months ago I interviewed
Mrs. Procter near whose ranch this thing crashed.  4 bodies were
recovered.  There is one person still alive at this moment who helped
Mac Brazel drag some of the wreckage to the shed.  He and Brazel were
approached at that time by (I know its hard to believe but the guy is
going to come forward soon) an alien who told them both to keep their
mouths shut.  He is the last guy alive that was directly connected
with that retrieval.

<LANGTON> Are you saying that the others involved were murdered?

<LEAR> No.  No.  They have just passed away.  That was a long time
ago.  The last guy to die was Maj. Jesse Marcel, The intelligence
officer at Roswell who went out and helped pick up the wreckage.
Before he died a few years ago he went public with his account which
was that the crash was not a balloon or a radar reflector or an
airplane.  He didn't state what it was, but said it was not of this
earth.  I have a transcript of the cassette tape of his memories of
picking up the wreckage, its only a page long if you would like me to
send that.

<LANGTON> Of course, any information you have will be helpful...  What
of yourself, why are you coming forward now, particularly placing the
spotlight on yourself... aren't you concerned that there may be some
sort of repercussions from the government regarding the stir this is
and will continue to cause?

<LEAR> Hopefully the spotlight will be on the information and not on
myself.  No there is not too much worry because, well let me say that
5 years ago I wouldn't have gotten away with this but things are so
screwed up now that one voice talking to...what 50?  100?  people
can't make any possible difference.  Also if something was going to
happen it would have happened a few weeks ago.  I wrote Dr. Lew Allen,
Director of JPL and MJ-12 member that I was going to do a story on his
participation in MJ-12 particularly because JPL employed 8000 people
in the Southern California area.  I also enclosed a copy of my
hypothesis and told him it was on ParaNet and CompuServe.  Dr. Allen
has a reputation of responding to all mail in a very prompt manner.
But me?  I didn't hear anything.  Not even a "John Lear you must be
crazy." He wrote a letter to Max Fiebleman of Los Angeles on the 18th
of December.  Max had sent him a copy of the Hudson Valley video and
asked Dr. Allen to look at it.  Dr. Allen responded that he had taken
a quick glance but did not have the time for anything more and on the
basis of what he saw determined that it was a blimp.  He also wished
Max a Merry Christmas.  Now......this is one of the worlds greatest
scientists?  Not interested in that Hudson Valley video tape?

Gimme a break.

<LANGTON> There are certainly a lot of inconsistencies seemingly from
everywhere on this issue.  As you know, Jim Speiser and ParaNet are
often published in some form, usually a quote from Jim, in the major
UFOlogy magazines... I would suspect that this matter will be reaching
a lot more people than just those of us here in the BBS community.
What of the future...can we expect more information, hard or soft
evidence that will help align the apparent inconsistencies or at best,
give a more cohesive picture of some of the answers to questions that
your original release has raised?

<LEAR> I would be very surprised if some kind of statement from the
government is not forthcoming within the year, more probably within 6
months possibly much sooner... That's about all I can speculate from
the information I am getting.

<LANGTON> Well, you can be assured that we will be continuing to watch
these developments should they occur.  Last year there was a similar
promise of major information by year's end... you got in just under
the wire but the other information was not this information, at least
not necessarily as coming from you.  Time is running short for me here
and I want to thank you for incurring the phone bill for this
interview but I think it is important that we try to get as many
answers on this as possible.  Do you have any closing statements that
you would like to make at this time?

<LEAR> Just to thank you for your time and I will be sending you the
aforementioned documents etc.

<LANGTON> Thank you very much John, your participation will no doubt
add a level of credibility to your desire to spare little expense in
helping us find the truth about all this.

<LEAR> Thanks again, and talk to you later.


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