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-> From: Wanda -> To: Sara hi Sara sure, i would like chat. life is not all sex any way, it sounds like your husband does not appreciate your sexual qualities. let me know how i can help you with your diversitions? love Wanda Reply Thanks for the reply. I am not sure if he appreciates my sexual qualities or not. Basically I think he is too busy to think about them. If he is in the mood for sex we do it, if he is interested in lots of foreplay, we do that and it is generally good. If not its a quicky and he gets off but I don't. In actual fact he is really a good guy, just not really into pleasing me with sex. The result is that I don't want to do anything to upset our marriage but I do have my daydreams about sex, particularly making it with other women more than men. I have had a few bi experiences in the past and my daydreams lead (are part of) some very satisfying masturbation. It would be nice to have someone to talk to about it and maybe share some thoughts. -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara sure!! i do sometimes think about men, and i have to admitt that it dose get me wet. so, what is on your mind? Reply I guess I just want to be able to let you know about my sexual feelings, the lack of satisfaction, and my masturbation. Somehow telling another woman about it makes me feel good inside. I find that "talk" even on a BBS turns me on and helps me feel good about myself. Also I would like to know about some of your experiences if you would like to share. -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara i can't say much now, my roommaites and i are going out to lunch. but sure i can share a couple of my experiences, but most are just dreams. talk to you later. Reply Wendi, I am looking forward to hearing from you. I enjoy sharing experiences and dreams here in a no-risk enviroment. -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara ok, who should start? do you want to, or should i? Reply Have to run. You go ahead and tell me an interesting experience. I'll keep up my end too. -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara i tried to reply to your letter, but your box was full! well you want me to tell you one of my stories, here it goes: one day my friend and i went to the beach, to sun bathe. it was late in the afternoon and as usaual i bathe nude, and my girlfriend goes toppless. after a few hours, and winecoolers i had dosed off; while i was sleeping she took my clothes back to the car. when i awaken, i could not find my clothes! i asked her what she was doing, and all she replied that i was going to have to walk back to the car wearing nothing! i told her i can't do that! after some pleading she agreeded that i could not go back to the car this way, so she handed me some sheer panties to wear back to the car. well i decided that something was better than nothing. luckly the car was real close, and when i got to the car, the panties were sopping wet. what about you, got any jucy stories? Reply My unusual situation was also the location. We lived in a hilly area and had just come home from shopping. As we were going up the stairs with the last of the groceries my husband was feeling my ass and we stopped on the porch to kiss. Well as it turns out this got the attention of a neighbor but of course we didn't know it at the time. When we got into the living room we continued our kissing and started hugging and feeling and getting very hot. The door was still open and so were the curtains but we just kept at it. My husband took me over to the couch, pulled up my skirt and off my panties. I was really ready, he dropped his pants and we just went at it. Well now could see out the window and see a guy in a house up the hill watching. The funny thing is that I didn't mind, in fact I kind of liked it. We were so hot, I came twice and it was great. Afterwards I told my husband about the other guy. He was furious so we were more careful about the shades after that...darn. -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara i have only watched x-movies, and i think i was being watched once but i was not sure? you said that your sex with your husband wasn't too great, he sounds like a preformer to me. have you ever thought of having an extramarital afair? Reply That experience I was telling you about was with my first husband, sex was better but other things didn't work out. Do you find x-rated movies exciting? The ones I have seen are to much pounding in and out and not enough real excitement. Also the audio is so terrible, I like to hear other people having sex and the few x-rateds I have seen just don't do a good job of that. As for having an affair, yes I have thought of it and did it in my first marriage, but don't want to take a chance of messing up this marriage. Ok the sex isn't always so great but other things are important too. -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara i love x movies, they turn me on.!!!!! would you love to see some movies? have you ever heard of videomania, they have 1000's of x-rateded movies that will keep your twat wet for months? Reply Do you remember the names of any particularly good x-rateds? Seems that most of the women don't do a very good job of acting and I want to hear the sex not some loud music. Where is Videomania? Susan -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara videomania is at branham and almaden exp. you can't miss it, it's the largest in the nation. a good one is two dauters of emanuale? thats on your mind? Reply Thats quite far from here but I may give it a try sometime. Have you ever seen "The Sounds of Love"? It was made locally and I really liked it because it did focus on the sound of sex and orgasm as well as the sights. -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara no i have not seen or heared of it, do any major stars star in it? do you have it? i havn't watched a movie in about 6 weeks, i would love to join you while you two watch one??????????? do you have any fantasies you would like to share? Reply No, I don't have the tape. It costs too much to buy them, particularly if you don't know if it will be any good. As for stars, I don't really know who any of them are except John Holmes. I would love to have you watch a sexy flick with me. My fantasy is that we would watch the tape and watch each other masturbate at the same time. Have you ever watched another women do herself? Susan -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara no i have not watched, but i would love to. isin't john holmes that hung guy? Reply Yes, he is so hung that it is hard to believe he is real. It would really be something to have that in you. I have never watched another woman masturbate but I like to watch myself in the mirror. The expression on my face is a scream, so to speak. Susan -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara i am game if you are? have you ever watched a man masterbate? just name the place and time. Reply What are we game for, watching each other masturbate? I don't think I can handle real life, its one thing to "talk" about it, its another thing to do it. I guess I am a chicken. Yes I have seen a man masturbate. My ex-husband use to do it for me to watch after he had given me an orgasm with his mouth. -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara thats ok, i guess we can still share stories but if you change your mind.... love Wanda Reply Thanks for the offer, I really do appreciate it. Maybe some day.... Whats the last time you had some really good sex. For me its been two weeks ago that it was really good. We did it last weekend but, not so hot. love Susan -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara don't tell anyone, but actuually never!. i am a virgin, but i don't want to be one any more! i have read and heard soooo much about set, but i have never been lucky enought to get laid. it sounds like your relationship with your husband is improving? love Wanda Reply Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, I have had a really bad cold but I am doing pretty well now. I think my relationship with my husband is on sort of an even keel. Sometimes the sex is better sometimes not so good but in other ways he is very considerate, he was great when I was sick. He even gave me an orgasm with his hand on evening, it was very relaxing and I went right to sleep. I am surprised you are still a virgin yet you have done it with girls. I'll bet there are a lot of guys who would like to do it with you. Love, Susan -> From: Wanda -> To: Sara well i am realy a guy, i just logoned as a girl just because women would not talk to me. everything that i said is about true, but i am a guy.sorry that i had to lead you on, but i was getting realy pissed off when i left mail to other women and they would only just erase them!!! i hope you aren't angry? but maybe we still can share some stories???? if you don't wan't to then i will understand if you don't return this message.. but please, i have much more i want to share with you!!! ================================================================== -> From: Wendi -> To: Sara Sure, i'll write to ya, if you want to hear from a 'totsal sex Sure, if you are interested in hearing from a 'total' sex slave.(to my Mistress, Janet, who is also my older sis) Reply So tell me. What is a total sex slave? I would like to hear about it. -> From: Wendi -> To: Sara Well luv, as a slave, my duties include mostly personal needs of Mistress. i bathe Mistress, dress Her, do her nails, brush Her hair, give her the best orgasms She's ever had. Usually i am 'severely bound' when i give Her pleasure. i have been suspended from the ceiling upside down with my legs tied a mile apart and my arms tied behind mem. i've had to make her cum like this before She lets me down. i do it with just my mouth, as it's about the only part of me that i have any control over. It gets hard to make her cum when She pulls on the clamps hanging from my small tits though. This is only one of the many ways she has of torturing me. For example, She's told me that for every reference to Her that i make, if i don't capitalize(Her not her) i will spend an hour tied to the tree in the back yard (nude of course). About the only time i am allowed to wear clothes is when we go out somewhere, and then i have to wear a short skirt with no panties underneath. What do you thi so far? Reply I will be honest, I find this very hard to believe. Some of the things make sense but being tied up all the time doesn't sound too good. Short skirts with no panties is neat, I do it sometimes too. -> From: Wendi -> To: Sara I'm not tied up ALL the time. I only spend about 6 hours a day like that. I guess not everyone's the same but, I can just feel the juices flowing with the first twist of a rope around any part of my body! Maybe I'm not normal, but I luv it! Reply Okay, lets hear it for getting the juices flowing whatever it takes. So you make your mistress come but what about you? -> From: Wendi -> To: Sara Mistress, after hours of tauntint me, will usually get me off somehow. I'll tell you though, All she has to do is place that first rope 'round my wrists and I cum almost continuosly! Reply I want to hear in detail what makes you come and how it feels. -> From: Wendi -> To: Sara One thing that almost always makes me cum is when Mistress grabs hold of my nipples with her long sexy nails and squeezes. I get this ticklish feeling in my crotch and it's all over! Reply I love it when my nipples are squeezed too but not enough to have an orgasm. Does your mistress ever put something big and hard in your vagina or suck on your clit? -> From: Wendi -> To: Sara Yes, she has stuck everything from pop bottles to baseball bats up my puss and my asshole. She also likes to suck my clit while I'm helplessly tied till i'm begging her to make me cum, then she'll stop long enough for me to simmer down then start over again. Sometimes this lasts for hours. Then if I've been good, she lets me cum. Reply I like to put things in my vagina when I masturbate. Funny you should mention pop bottles. I got one so far in one time that it scared me but it sure felt great. I am not too much on things in my ass but I have let guys finger me there. What things do you put in your ass? -> From: Wendi -> To: Sara Well, I don't actually put things up my ass. It is usually somebody else that puts whatever they think will rip me apart (seems that way!). The worst thing I've ever had up there was a 2-quart 'retention' enema. I was madeto hold it for about an hour. the worst part about it (other than the pain) was that when Mistress finally released it I had to squat down in the tub in front of a couple of Her FRiends. They still taunt me about that night, and use it to get me to other things. Reply I would think that having friends watch would be difficult. What things do they get you to do, remembering that night? Tell me what you and your mistress look like, is she much bigger than you? -> From: Wendi -> To: Sara Let someone pump 2- quarts of water up your ass, you'll find that if the nozzle isnt secured that it would fall out before (pushed) you are full. The things they get me to do are things like; giving some guy a blow job. licking someones asshole clean etc. Both Mistress and I are smalish in builkld with me being almost petite. Reply Do you wear a bra most of the time when you go out of the house? You said you are petite. I am pretty well built so I wear one some times and generally during the winter to keep warm. In the summer I like to let the guys know about my better points and dress accordingly. -> From: Wendi -> To: Sara na, I never wear a br. My breasts follow the old saying "more than a mouthful is wasted". But, you should see the effect wearing my nipple rings under a thin t-shirt in the winter has. Reply Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, I have had a really bad cold but I am doing pretty well now. Glad to see someone who doesn't need a bra and doesn't wear one. Somehow mothers seem to infect most of us with the "need" to wear it. What is a nipple ring? -> From: Wendi -> To: Sara A nipple ring is quite similar to an earring. You have your nipples pierced, then you place your rings through the holes and snap them shut. ================================================================== -> From: Verona -> To: Julie Hi Julie, Sorry it took me a while to get back in touch with you. No I don't mind talking about my swinging. My husband and I got started several years back after we both realized that we had a very strong relationship but found that we still were physically attracted to other people. We love each other very much and keep our relationship very honest. We tell each other what is going on and don't sneak around behind each other's back. As far as the friends that we swing with, they are all good friends but I haven't meet anyone who would want me to leave my husband. We are both extremely selective since you can't tell where someone has been nowadays. It never just a quick pickup and most the time my husband does most of the introducing. There is something that I like very much but you might think that I am crazy for liking this but I find it an incredible turn-on to make love to my husband after he has made love to another woman. I like to see him satisfied and then see if I can completely wipe him out. I find it very arrousing to smell and taste another woman on his body. This may have something to do with the fact that I am bisexual and I have smelled and tasted other women before I ever made love with them. I also get very turned on by hearing my husbands stories of what the other women did. So much for me, tell me about your daydreams. Do you have a current lover. What turns you on AND what turns you off? take care, Verona Reply No, I don't think you are crazy. In fact I find it rather interesting that you like to smell other women on your husband. I suppose it is the opposite of smelling some strange perfume and wondering what your husband has been up to. This way you know and approve. Do you watch him making it with another woman and does he see you doing it with the other guy? Whats it like making it with more than one guy in an evening, do you have an orgasm with both of them? I would really be interested in hearing more of the details if you don't mind sharing. As for me, I am happily married with a pretty darn good sex life but I do think about doing it with other women. I have had some experiences in the past, not a lot, but enough to give me some good memories. Even with my good sex life my daydreams about other women get me in the mood to masturbate so I do that sometimes. Do you ever find the need to do yourself? I guess my biggest turn on is oral sex, I can and do have multiple orgasms when a guy eats me. I have had anal sex a few times but I really have to be hot to be willing to do it. As for turn offs, any kind of rough or sadistic activity really makes me mad. I like to be treated like a wanted and loved person. Julie -> From: Verona -> To: Julie I am glad that you don't think I am crazy. As for us watching each other we have both watched each other do it with other people. I have made love to my husband and another man at the same time. Sometimes one inside me while I suck the other one and sometimes with one in my pussy and the other in my butt. I am amazed that you like anal sex. Sometimes I thought I might be the only woman that likes it. I love the feel of two men squirting into me. You must try it sometime. I have also made it with a girlfriend in front of a group of men and women. Not a lot of people just six or seven of our friends. I love to do it with a double-headed dildo with a friend of mine. As for having multiple orgasms, yes, I have them most of the time but not always. I also like to wear very sexy and feminine clothes Several years back I got into stockings and garter belts which I wear quite often. I also masturbate quite a bit when I am alone. Can you tell me more about your fantasies? Have you ever made love to another man than your husband? Or just considered it? Do you fell like telling me about your experiences with other women? Verona Reply I guess my experiences are quite limited compared to yours. I have only done it with other women a few times and never been involved with a threesome. I can see where two men inside you at the same time would be good. Its such a wonderful feeling when a man is inside me and when I am turned on enough for anal sex I am so wild that I would love to have two of them. Its not exactly clear to me how you do that physically but if there is a will there is a way. As for anal sex I have only done a very few times, I really have to be in the right mood. My husband is a very considerate lover and not pushy (except in the right way) so it works out okay. I too like to wear sexy clothes, I particularly like going braless in the warm summer days so the guys look at me. This turns on my husband too and makes for some really good sex. I have never made love to a man other than my husband while I was married but I had quite a bit of experience between marriages, with a couple of women too. I guess many of my fantasies are doing it with other women which I think about when I masturbate. I would like to hear more about your ideas and experiences too. -> From: Verona -> To: Julie Hello Stranger, Yes a voice from your past. How are things? I see you have final cleaned out your mailbox. I think you last note had to do with how you can have sex with two men at once, well here goes. . . . First you have the first guy layback on the bed and you climb on top of him and ride him. Then when things get going and you are very turned on and wet, lean forward, reach back and spread your checks and have the second guy slowly, and I repeat slooowly slide himself up your backside. Have both of them start out slow and once they get rolling you will go through the roof. Take my word for it. It works. So what's new with you. How's your love life been? I hope to hear from you soon, if you want to keep in touch. Take Care, Verona Reply Talk about a voice from the past... Its been so long that I don't remember when I was last on. Sometimes I am just not in the mood for the BBS scene. How about you? Now that you explain how to do it with 2 guys it makes sense, not that it is likely to happen to me. It does sound very exciting and FILLING. Have you done that many times? My love live hasn't been to wonderful recently but thats par for the course. I did indulge in some petting with someone other than my husband though. It was really a thrill considering how little we actually did. We were in the hot tub, had quite a few glasses of wine and my husband had to run to the store for some things for dinner. Hal, the other guy, stayed in the tub with me and after a while we were very close and he started rubbing my back and worked his way around to the front. It was nice but about that time my husband came home and that was the end of that. What's been happening to you? -> From: Verona -> To: Julie Well I have taken on two guys at once several times but most of the time I suck on one of them. Sounds like Hal is improving your life a bit. Any chance of seeing him on the side? I could send my husband over to give you the rub of your life (back or front)!! What has been wrong with you sex life? Not often enough?? I could have my husband fill your "time" then after tasting you on his body maybe all three of us could get together?? Take Care Verona =================================================================== -> From: Raymond -> To: Sara My biggest complaint with my wife is that it is fine for her to sit on my face and have me bring her off numerous times, but she won't go down on me at all(not once in our 12 years). She also is a little (no a lot) overweight and doesn't have the discipline to lose the weight. I'd like to buy her sexy underwear from a catalogue, but she is afraid that we'll get on a porno mailing list. Porno is something that I love to watch but she is repulsed by it. If I didn't love her for other reasons, I'd be long gone. What do you think. I call this BBS and other to add a little spice and excitment to my life and if she knew that I was even writing to another lady, she'd have a cow! Reply Sounds like a rather typical situation. Funny thing is that I was a bit like that in my first marriage so I can kind of see your wife's side too. Admitedly I am quite a bit different now. Many women are not really at ease with sex but are still wonderful people. Give her lots of orgasms (I wish I was getting more) and enjoy the giving, getting a blow job isn't everything. In all honesty I still don't really love doing it but its okay. As for over weight I am a bit that way too, it does have some advantages in the chest area, if you like that kind of thing. Do you enjoy the sex you do get? I love it when my husband eats me particularly when I "sit on his face". -> From: Raymond -> To: Sara I do enjoy what sex I do get, but it has become a little boring. When I do give my wife oral sex, she sits on my face and gets a good moustache ride. That's what bugs me is that it's okay for her to REALLY get off that way, but she doesn't care that I might like that aspect of sex too. I've even promised to not come in her mouth. How did you get around to changing your outlook? Another thing is lately with her working, she comes home tired (which I understand) and by 8:30 she's sacked out on the couch and then gets up at 4:00 am and does housework. I don't dare bother her when we go to bed about 10PM or she whines about leaving her alone. What now? Reply My opinion. The what now is you have to decide if your overall relationship is what you want. That is, is the sex situation an indication of other things being bad or is it a separate problem. Not an easy thing to analyze, you might want professional help. If the problem is the overall relationship you have to decide to work on it or give it up, another not so easy decision. If the problem is only sex then discuss it with her, see if she is willing to make an effort to change. A marriage is not a 50/50 thing it requires 80% by both people. Do something! Get some help! How do you like my soap box? As for oral sex, I really believe some women don't want to go down on a man. You may have to accept that so keep that in mind but work in the direction you like just dont make it an obsession. You can get a lot of pleasure from giving her orgasms, she will get the idea -> From: Raymond -> To: Sara Sorry I haven't written back for a while, but I was having trouble getting on the system and then when I did the other day, your mailbox was full. Computer sex as well as phone sex are my favorite pastimes. Have you tried the BBS Trex? It's number is 415-961-6969. You mentioned computer sex. What do you like about it? Are you into phone sex too? If you are, maybe we could get on voice some day and give it a try. Let me know. Talk to you later. I promise it won't be so long next time. Reply I have done phone sex a couple of times. You have to really be tuned into someone to do it. I am not sure it would mean anything if I hadn't had real sex with the guy first. And what do you think computer sex should mean? -> From: Raymond -> To: Sara Computer sex is like phone sex, except over modem instead of voice. I do it a lot on the TREX board, have you tried that board. I could get into phone sex with you. How about it some time? Reply Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, I have had a really bad cold but I am doing pretty well now. Can you really find people who will have computer sex? Seems like it would be difficult to type and do it at the same time. -> From: Raymond -> To: Sara Phone sex is a lot easier, but there is a BBS with chat mode called TREX. It is really wild what people talk about on it including sex. It also has private channels in case you want to get it on one-on-one. Their number is 415-691-6969. Give it a try, but don't be surprised if you get gang bang by the guys with conversation if you are the only female on. How about some phone sex someday? Reply Its been so long that I don't remember when I was last on. Sometimes I am just not in the mood for the BBS scene. How about you? My love live hasn't been to wonderful recently but thats par for the course. I did indulge in some petting with someone other than my husband though. It was really a thrill considering how little we actually did. We were in the hot tub, had quite a few glasses of wine and my husband had to run to the store for some things for dinner. Hal, the other guy, stayed in the tub with me and after a while we were very close and he started rubbing my back and worked his way around to the front. It was nice but about that time my husband came home and that was the end of that. What's been happening to you? -> From: Raymond -> To: Sara I too took off of the BBS scene for a while. I love that you had a small experience with another man. Anytime that you would like some long conversation and a nice long massage, leave me some mail and we'll see if we can't get together. My love life was the same boring thing until recently I got with a gal that I met from another board and we got together for a few hours of oral sex. She was on her period so I couldn't reciprocate but I love doing it to women too. Tell me some more about a fantasy that you might have of what we would do if we ever met. ================================================================= -> From: Brian -> To: Sara We got married when we were around 20. At the time we both liked a lot of the same things, going dancing, camping, snow skiing, etc. As time when on I kept liking these things while she became more job oriented and started going to school. I guess what it comes down to is that we didn't like the same things anymore. We each had our own circle of friends and kept getting farther apart. It ended rather peacefully. Reply I know what you mean. That is pretty much the way it was with my first marriage. We didn't end quite so peacfully though. I got involved with another guy and decided to leave my husband. As you might expect it didn't work out with the other guy but after a few years I met my present husband and we have been very happy for over 5 years. I really learned a lot about life and sex between marriages although I suppose it would have been different if I knew then about aids. Sex is an important part of my life and my husband really knows how to turn me on. Sara -> From: Brian -> To: Sara Sex also plays an important lifet my lifet although there is not anyone special at this time. As far as knowing how to turn someone on, are you talking physically or mentally? I think setting the stage for seduction is every bit as important as sex itself. The sharing of a fantasy can be a lot of fun for both. Reply I do want to be turned on both mentally and physically. I would avoid any situation where the mental part wasn't right so it gets down to the physical part for the final note. I need lots of affection and petting to get me going. Sara -> From: Brian -> To: Sara The mental part for me is more sight and sound oriented. Soft music and a sexy outfit will do it almost every time. Sometimes even a large oversized men's shirt does wonders. Brian Reply I love to dress sexy. Summer is on its way and thats my time. I have nice breasts and like to let people know it. Maybe I am a bit of an exhibitionist. It is a turn on to know guys are having a good look. My husband loves it too because he gets the benefit of my excitment at the appropriate moment. Sara -> From: Brian -> To: Sara you sound like my kind of woman!! One of my favorite fantasys is being teased by a beautiful woman who likes to show a bit of the naughty bits. maybe you can tell how you like to do this and I'll share my thoughts on the subject with you. This could be fun!! Brian Reply Basically I am into tank tops (so to speak). Without a bra I am a pretty nice sight if I do say so myself. Also I have some blouses with 3/4 length sleves with a deep v in the arm. When I reach over to pick something up it is quite revealing. My hips are a little big so not much to do in that area but short skirts are back in so I may give them a try this summer. So what would you have in mind for me? Sara -> From: Brian Hi Susan! No problem! Tank tops are one of my favorites. I guess I would spot you in a shopping mall doing your shopping. I would try to catch your eye and smile. If I got a favorable reaction from you I'd follow in order to get a better look. I can imagine you looking at some goods on a lower shelf and me walking over and being able to look down the front of your top to see the full swell of your breasts!! What a sight! There would be a large bulge in my pants that would be very difficult to hide. At that point you would probably notice this. Your reaction would determine what happens next!! Love, Brian Reply To tell the truth my reaction would probably be embarrasment. I wish it were something else but I am really a bit shy when it comes to strangers. Yes I like to dress sexy but it is to make me feel sexy rather than to actually attract personal contact. Does that make any sense to you? I guess thats why I feel okay here, no risk, no personal contact. I would enjoy seeing the bulge in your pants. How big do you get? Susan -> From: Brian -> To: Sara I'm a bit shy also. I doubt if I would actually do what I described, but it is fun to fantasize (sp) about it. Like you said 'no risk'. To answer your other question, I guess it's about seven inches long; (it's been so long since it was measured (pun intended)). So how about you? How do you measure up? (That's two.) Well, I'll be going before I pun myself to death! Write soon! Love ya! Brian Reply I measure pretty well. 36D-28-38 and as I say a bra is optional. Are there measurements of importance for my vagina? I don't know of any and it seems to work well. As for you size I am not really an expert in what sizes mean what. It seems the person and what he does with it is what is important. Susan -> From: Brian -> To: Sara You sure do measure well! I love a small waist and hips that are a little wider than the 'perfection' called for in the social norm. As for vaginal size, I think the same holds true as it does for a penis; it's how you use it! I have known some women that had fantastic muscle control in their vaginas. I was blessed with a very flexible hips, legs, and back. I'm convinced that the motion of the hips is what does it for both sexes. Love, Brian Reply Let me ask you a rather off-the-wall question. What do you think about making love with a woman when she has her period? I find that is my most sexy time. Unfortunately my present husband won't have anything to do with me but my first one would and it was great, messy but great. -> From: Brian -> To: Sara I've had some rather good experiences. One of my favorite ways is the bathe with my lover before and after. A nice warm tub filled with bubbles and oil is a great way to start. Actually it's a great way to start anytime, but that's another story! Dry each other off and spread a bath towel on the bed or any other place that strikes your fancy! I have also found oral sex to be good at this point; the musky scent is a real turn-on for me! Brian Reply Intesting about the bath. I like to have warm sun tan oil rubbed all over me. Mostly at the beach of course but some times at home. You didn't answer me about doing it with a woman who is having her period. Will you or won't you? Kisses, Susan -> From: Brian -> To: Sara Sorry, I thought my answer spoke for itself. YES!! It doesn't bother me at all. The stuff about the bath all related to sex during a woman's period. The suntan oil sounds like a good idea because I like the smell of it. HUGS!! Brian Reply OH... I guess I wasn't paying attention, sorry. I haven't had any really good sex in a couple of weeks now. How about you? -> From: Brian -> To: Sara Well, it has been about a week and a half for me. A friend and I got together for a little afternoon fun last Thursday at a local no-tell motel. Do you ever go out on your husband? Kisses, Brian Reply Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, I have had a really bad cold but I am doing pretty well now. No, I don't go out on my husband. The sex may not always be the greatest but in other ways we have a good marriage and I don't want to mess it up. He have me a real nice orgasm with his hand one night to put me to sleep when I was sick. -> From: Brian -> To: Sara Glad you're feeling better. I'm also sorry for taking so long to reply. I was in Oklahoma City all week. Let's see, what can we talk about now. How about fantasies? I've always wanted to have a woman give me an obscene phone call about window peeking at me and then catching her in the act. Not the most original I suppose but mine all the same. How about you? Maybe we could act one out via mail or on the phone. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Take care, Brian Reply Its been so long that I don't remember when I was last on. Sometimes I am just not in the mood for the BBS scene. How about you? I don't think I want to get into sex on the phone as you suggested, somehow it doesn't seem as safe as messages on the BBS. My love live hasn't been to wonderful recently but thats par for the course. I did indulge in some petting with someone other than my husband though. It was really a thrill considering how little we actually did. We were in the hot tub, had quite a few glasses of wine and my husband had to run to the store for some things for dinner. Hal, the other guy, stayed in the tub with me and after a while we were very close and he started rubbing my back and worked his way around to the front. It was nice but about that time my husband came home and that was the end of that. What's been happening to you? -> From: Brian -> To: Sara Not too much happening out here either. All I can say is that Hal is one lucky guy! I'm jealous! I'm getting a lot of junk over the line I'll continue later ====================================================================== -> From: Don -> To: Sara That is a shame because eating a nice sweet pussy and taking your time only heightens the whole love making sequence. I love to take my time licking my way over every inch. I love to get the clit in my mouth and suck on it and feel it get hard between my lips. I love to role the clit around with my lips and suck on it as well. then I work my way down and insert my tongue into the vaginal opening and work it in and out and continue to suck alternately on the clit and work ther area around the vulva and at the same time smell the fragrance coming from your body. It is terrific when you finally cum and I can get my mouth fully around your pussy and suck and lick at the same time as you cum. That is when I would want you to pull my head in against your pussy and make eat you furiously.....wow! -> From: Don -> To: Sara I always preceed my lovemaking with a lot of oral sex. I would love to show you how I would eat your sweet pussy. I would start with your panties on and start by eating your pussy through your pantie crotch athen I`d would my way back around toward your ass and lick up your sweet crack finding your sweet ass through the nylon working my tongue in I would force my tongue into your sweet pucker. Then I would return to the fornt and pushing the elastic legband aside with my tongue I`d find the wet pubic hair of your cunt and then your vulvic lips. I'd worm my tongue in and find your clit and massaging it with my tongue I`d world till it got hard. Then I`d pull your panties down around your thighs and start on your pussy sucking hotly.....more later Don Reply Yes, thats good. Suck my clit till I come and come............ Did you ever think of writing for a living? -> From: Don -> To: Sara No I just like to dabble in fantasies. I draw on my own experiences and like to expand on them. I was seperated for some time and I had a ball. I once advertised that I wo (sorry about the interuption) I was saying. I once advertised that I would strip for free at any function. I got a call from four women who wanted me to strip for them in there apartment. I went and danced to some music stripping down to my bikinis and teasing them. I wound up eating two of the ladies and fucking one other. I noticed from your questionare that you are bisexual. Have you had any experiences with other women? I love being in threesomes with two women and had the opportunity only twice. Getting back to our orginal subject. I would love to lay on the floor and have you fully dressed expect for you panties and have you squat on my face and let me lick you pussy as you swayed back and forth over my extended tongue. I could lick your entire bottom that way. Have you ever been eaten that way? Reply That was a real interesting time you had with those three women. Did you ever see them again. Yes, I have had a few experiences with other women but not in recent years. Mostly when I was in college, then later between marriages. I haven't done a threesome and it doesn't seem likely to happen, my husband is a bit conservative about such things. I have never been eaten the way you suggest, sounds great and spontaneous with clothes on and everything. I do have great and many orgasms with oral sex. -> From: Don -> To: Sara Yes I did see them again. If your husband is abit conservative I suggest you find some one that would be more liberal. I love to eat pussy and have thought up a variety of ways to do it. Would you like to hear some of variations. P.S. this system is screwed up I just got your letter but I logged on yesterday and it ws not here.... Reply I am not really into changing husbands again. I did that once and came up with a good guy (sex ain't everything) so I will stick with him. As for your variations, sure, I am interested. -> From: Don -> To: Sara Ther4e a lot of variations to sex. First there is the locations. One can have some great times if the location is exciting. Like making love in public like a football game. Another variation is type of sex like oral,anal etc. You said you've tried anal sex but wasn't to sure. well it takes time and practice. One very imprtant item is to be sure to wash after anal sex and continuing with vaginal sex or else. I have know about four women who loved anal sex and two of them were married to men that did not like it. I had great time with them. One in particular, her name was Ellen Would you like to hear about it??? Reply I would love to hear about Ellen. Also sounds like the married women go for you. -> From: Don -> To: Sara Ellen was my technician and I realized after a couple of months she was making leading statements. Then one night after work in the parking lot I walked out with her and walked with her to her car. As she was getting in she made the comment that since her husband drank so much she wasn't getting laid and was really horny. I slid in next to her and the next thing were kissing hot and heavy. I workded my hand down inside her slacks and begin rubbing her hard clit. Finally after about and hour of necking she had to leave, I knew I was going to hurt after all that heavy petting so I jacked myself off rather than get a case of lovers nuts. We continued to neck for about a week after work till finally on Friday I went to a local motel and rented a room. At lunch time I told her we were going to special lunch. The motel was on the El Camino and close to work. I drove up and she saw it. I said "Well we are here you can say no now or we can go up to the room" She hesitated and then agreed. We went upstairs and after some hot kissing I helped her undress. She was wearing a biege bra with silver flexs in it and it hooked in the front. I undid the hook and let her tits fall out. They were larger than I imagained. with huge aerola and pink nipples. I took one into my mouth and started sucking.....want to hear more? Say how about you exchanging some hot stories too??? Reply Yes I would love to hear more. Let me think a while about a story from me. I have had some interesting ones. -> From: Don -> To: Sara Ok I'll tell you more stories after I hear yours.. Reply I had sort of an unusual sex situation during my first marriage. We lived in a hilly area and had just come home from shopping. As we were going up the stairs with the last of the groceries my husband was feeling my ass and we stopped on the porch to kiss. Well as it turns out this got the attention of a neighbor but of course we didn't know it at the time. When we got into the living room we continued our kissing and started hugging and feeling and getting very hot. The door was still open and so were the curtains but we just kept at it. My husband took me over to the couch, pulled up my skirt and off my panties. I was really ready, he dropped his pants and we just went at it. Well now could see out the window and see a guy in a house up the hill watching. The funny thing is that I didn't mind, in fact I kind of liked it. We were so hot, I came twice and it was great. Afterwards I told my husband about the other guy. He was furious so we were more careful about the shades after that...darn. -> From: Don -> To: Sara GREAT STORY! I LOVE TO BE AN EXHIBITIONIST. I GUES THAT WHY I LIKE GROUP SEX. I LOVE TO HAVE A WOMAN'S HUSBAND WATCH AS I FUCK HIS WIFE OR BE IN A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND LET THEM WATCH. i MET A COUPLE WHO LIKE TO TAPE THIER EXPLOITS AND WATCH THEM LATER. WE HAD A THREESOME AND LATER WE WATCHED AS WE ALL FUCKED AND SUCKED EACH OTHER. I LIKE PUBLIC SEX SOMETIMES BUT IT'S BIT RISKY WITH ALL THE PRUDES AROUND. ADDITONALLY I ENJOY HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH MARRIED WOMEN BECUASE IT'S MORE EXCITING. Reply I would like to hear more about Ellen and any other exciting stories you would like to share. I am not sure public sex would do anything for me but descrete watching of "private" sex would turn me on. I like to hear others having sex and I am sort of a noisy person when I have an orgasm. As for affairs with other marrieds, yes it is exciting, I did it in my first marriage but I am avoiding it this time. Sometimes the price is too high. -> From: Don -> To: Sara The price is high sometimes, but I have had my share of fun. As for Ellen she and I enjoyed an affair while she worked for me. After the first time we fucked in the motel room we had some othr hot sessions. One in particular was a night we were working late. We went to motel 6 in Sunnyvale and it was the night the last game of the world series was on. I remember because it was on all the time we were fucking. We began by playing and me eating her cunt then she sucked me off. The thought of her sucking me off gives me a hardon right now. The memorable thing about that night was during our fucking I got my cock into Ellen's ass and I had never fucked her in the ass. She loved it and so did I. We fucked for the entire game of the series and for about and hour after. Reply I haven't done much anal sex, I really have to be in the mood before I am willing to do that, but if sex goes on for hours that is at least in the right direction to get me turned on enough. Considering my lack of interest in baseball it sounds like you made the best possible use of the time. I once had sex with my husband-to-be in a hotel room overlooking an outside party we were supposed to be attending. We could hear people we know talking while we were going at it. Somehow that made it more exciting. You said you like having affairs with married women. Do you find they are better in any way or is it just the "danger"? -> From: Don -> To: Sara Having an affair with a married woman is exciting because of the danger and because they know what the rules are. The single ones get to involved and take being fucked the same as being commited. I once had an affair with a woman whose huband worked graveyard and I had to wait till he left for work and I would go up to her apartment and we'd fuck till about 5 or 6 in the morning in his bed. It was real hot becuase the excitemnet was always there. Reply Yes, we women are that way. We want committment to go with sex, at least most of the time. Thats why I won't mess around outside my marriage. I figure one standard for all and that can be either way, both faithful or both mess around. Tell me more about some of your experiences. S ================================================================ -> From: Donna -> To: Sara Hello. I also think about other women alot. Sometimes when I was with my last boyfriend I even pretended he was a women when he went down on me. Drop me a line. Donna Reply Well I guess I think a lot more than act. I haven't been with another woman for years. I don't want to mess up my marriage which is basically good except for some of the sex, some of the time. I guess oral sex is the universal language of men and women, I sure like it the best. How is it with you as far as sex and other things. -> From: Donna -> To: Sara I've only had one expierence with a woman and it was heaven. It was a long time ago, while I was in High School. My sex life is a little slow, I recently broke up with my boyfriend. I'm not into casual sex, there has to be something there, love, respect before I'm willing to fall in the sack with someone. For some reason I've been fanasizing about other women lately. I don't really know why. I remember how good it was when I did it that one time, but I'm a little afraid to try it again. Crazy huh? Yes oral sex is definatly my favorite. My old boyfriend said he could spend hours licking me, he said my red pubic hairs really turned him on. Of course black ones and grey ones and any others seemed to turn him on too. Oh well enough of that, I guess it's time to go, take care. Donna Reply Sorry to hear your sex life is a little slow but I agree that the person has to mean something to you. Its when things are slow for me that I think about other women too. I really wouldn't want to do anything about it because of what it could do to my otherwise good marriage but you are in a different position, maybe something interesting will happen. The first time I did it with another woman was in college. It was with my roommate. We were both sexually active with guys and both hit an emotional low at the same time. Along with our natural curiosity it just seemed like a way to comfort each other. It was one of those cold winter nights (well it doesn't get all that cold in Berkeley but it seemed that way). We went to bed together and held each other close. All we really did was finger each other to orgasm but it was awful nice at the time. Considering the guys I had done it with it was really one of the best orgasms I had had. It makes me feel kind of warm to look back on it. I haven't seen her in years, its a shame to loose close friends like that. I would be intrested in what actually happened in your high school experience. -> From: Donna -> To: Sara My experience was with a fairly close girlfriend. I was staying over her house one weekend. We had snuck out of the house to see our boyfriends. after some wine we went to park and necked with our boyfriends for a while. When we returned to her house we sat in her bed a talked about boys (you know how that is). She told me what it was like to make love (I was still a virgin) and told me what they did to each other. They where really into oral sex, she didn't want to get pregnant. Somehow the conversation got shifted to our bodies and we started to touch each other. We fingered each other to several orgasims. On the last orgasim we kissed deeply. I know I would have gone farther if she had taken the lead. We saw each other often after that but we never talked about it, and never did it again. I wanted to several times, but I didn't want her to think I was a "dyke". For the next several years when I masturbated I pretended it was her doing it to me. I still see her occasionaly, she's been divorced twice and has a kid. We still never talk about that time. And I still use it as a masturbation fantasy every now and again. It makes me excited to tell someone else about it. If I may ask what kind of fantasies do you have? Reply Its really too bad that when we were young and "free" we were so uptight about sex with other girls. I think I missed out on a lot of fun that I will never get. At this point I certainly don't think it would have made me into a homosexual, I just like men too much. Oh well, live and learn like they say. Isn't it interesting how it is exciting to talk/write about sex to a person you have never even met. I actually do get a little wet reading your messages and writing back. Question, do you find that you are more sexy before and during your period? I find that is my "hottest" time, too bad my husband won't do it then. As for fantasies, I like to think about watching others making love. I have never done it but it turns me on to think about it. -> From: Donna -> To: Sara My period is definatly my hottest time. My ex would do it during my period, but he didn't enjoy it. I think he did it for me. As for being exciting to talk to a stranger, I find that I have told you things that I haven't told my best friend. I feel safe, if you know what I mean. Yes watching other people make love is a turn on. I live in an apartment with another girl, and on occasion I (we) have had that oportunity. What other fantasies do you have? Donna Reply It is a little messy doing it when I have my period, we put a towel on the bed. My first husband seemed to enjoy it but he wouldn't eat me, can't say that I blame him, didn't make any difference I could have an orgasm easily with him in me. As for my present husband, he has only done it a couple of times. Sometimes we have sex just before my period starts, that has been the best times. I know what you mean about feeling safe here, its great to just let it all hang out. When you have seen your apartment mate getting it on with a guy is it right out in the open or more of an accidental door open situation. I would be interested in what you saw and how it made you feel. Other fantasies, lets see....I guess doing it with another woman is the main one, also I like to think about being at the beach and having someone rub oil all over my body. -> From: Donna -> To: Sara The girl I live with now is pretty discreet. I have walked in a couple of times and seen her with her boy friend. Her boyfriend is very cute (nice ass) with a medium size penis. I came home late one night and they were in her room with the door wide open. She was leaning over her bed and he had entered her from the rear. I left and came back twenty minutes later, making a loud noise when I came in. I cought them on the sofa about six months ago, she was giving him head. They both were very embarassed. I almost raped my boyfriend when I saw him. My last roommate used to screw around a lot. I think she liked to be watched. She used to always leave her door open, or do it out in the open. She would sleep with anyone, and some of the guys she was with made me sick. Thats why we aren't roomates anymore. So what does your fantasies about woman consist of? Donna Reply I haven't lived with a roommate since college other than men so I guess I have missed out on some "entertainment". I suppose even when you can't see what is going on you can hear it. I find the sounds of others making love to be very exciting. I enjoy making a lot of noise myself sometimes its really wild when I have an orgasm. Have you heard a lot or do they tend to keep quiet because they know someone else is in the house? You didn't say if your roommate has ever watched or heard you. As for fantasies about women, it mostly has to do with oral sex. I have my best orgasms that way and I want to do it to another woman so I can feel her contractions when she has it. Knowing how it makes me feel, it turns me on to think about bring right THERE when it happens to her. -> From: Donna -> To: Sara They do try to be quiet,but you know how cheap apartments are nowadays. They like to take showers togeather. She really gets turned on, and does a lot of moaning. We try to be absent when the other is "entertaining" but that doesn't work that well. Yes I have been caught a few times. I am a "moaner" myself. When we're alone I really let loose. They came home right in the middle, and I guess I really gave them a show. They both still tease me about it. Whenever her boyfriend calls and I answer the phone he imitates the noises that I made. How embarressing! My Ex and myself went to Santa Cruz and got really horney. There was a traffic jam in the parking lot so we went into the back of his truck and made love. It was exciting knowing everyone was around but didn't know what we were doing. I have my best fantasies about being dominated by another woman. Not the tieing up and whips and chains stuff. Just being order to lick and kiss at her command. It makes me hot just writing about it. When I masturbate I like doing it in the shower. I aim the shower massage at my clit and I really get off. How do you masturbate? Donna Reply Maybe her boyfriend is interested in you. Do you ever trade boyfriends for sex or just in the normal course of breaking up with one and starting with a new one? Sounds like you and you ex still have something going at least sexually or was that before he was your ex? When I masturbate it is mostly with my fingers but I have done it in the shower with the shower massage too, it is great. Also we have a vibrator that we use on each other occassionally, have you ever used one. When we have sex we often use a lot of hand lotion during foreplay, he likes it on his prick and it makes my vagina better lubricated. I am not sure about domination, have you actually been in any sort of situation like that? All this talk makes me want to get it off, hope my husband is in the mood too. Later, Sara -> From: Donna -> To: Sara No we never trade boyfriends, that is strickly against the rules we made when we moved in togeather. We have both followed that rule very strictly. It is the best way to lose a good friend. Yes that was when we were still togeather, we have nothing going now. That relationship was a dead end. I have never been in a domination scene with anyong, I have just fantasized about it. I think I would rather do it with a woman, I have had a lot of men try to dominate my life, and I tend to rebel from them. Well give your husband a good working over. I have to stick to my shower massage, I'm in between boyfriends and I don't like casual sex. Bye for now. Donna Reply Its nice to see that there are some people that aren't into casual sex. I have pretty much only been to bed with guys I really knew and cared for although I must admit there have been a couple of exciting exceptions. My guess is that more people are being more careful these days. I know what you mean about men trying to dominate your life, thats what is so great about my husband, he really lets me be my self and is supportive in everything I do. Too bad he isn't better in bed but the good news is that last night was great. I had 3 orgasms. Hope you have some luck soon. Where do you generally meet the guys you date? Sara ================================================================== -> From: Larry -> To: Sara We seem to have some attitudes and interests in common. And - even thought I have no explicit basis for this - I find you attractive already. Maybe its your honesty...openness...The idea of change is exciting to me too - in fact it would be perfect to find someone who was generally happy but shared that desire....to the point that we could safely satisfy it for each other...be a non-demanding mister/mistress...with nothing expected in return except for occasional planned, discrete, satisfying encounters of quiet talking, massage, warm touches, and crazy lovemaking...a mutual trust of sorts. And when it was over - we could return to our basically satisfying relationships ...until we met again...for more! Talk again soon, I hope. P.S. I love having you come quickly...just so long as you do it again and again. Making you feel good makes me feel good. Reply Larry, you are a smooth talker and probably a great lover as well but we will have to keep it to BBS talk for now (probably forever). God I love to come quickly and many times but I will have to do it without you. I am going to take a shower soon and I will get myself off and think about you. Love, Sara -> From: Larry -> To: Sara Thank you - I think...actually, being a "smooth talker" sounds a little suspect and I think it was well intending but also a bit cautious. Of course I understand - and share - the caution...but I'm really not a smooth talker - reasonably well educated and intelligent, open, caring, and respectful, yes. And appreciative of these characteristics in a lady friend (which you seem to share - as I at least sense). As for being a great lover - again, that sounds like something that should be reserved for someone who thinks of him or herself as a great lover (a legend in their own mind!!)...I rather think of myself as a caring and fun lover - patient, passive or aggressive as is mutually desired, "technically" proficient, reasonably endowed, and sensitive - with as much enjoyment in sensuality as in sexuality...the chase to me is as much fun as the act...the touching as exciting as the cumming... Tell me about your shower in any event...I'll be doing the same and thinking of you as well! We really should at least meet for a discrete coffee sometime..or some- thing like that... Kisses... Reply I would love to meet you but I really can't. Just don't want to mess up a good thing. Sounds like you are a lot like my husband. As for the shower, I did do it. At the suggestion of a friend on this BBS I bought a Water Massage, the kind that you hold in your hand. Well it is fantastic. In some ways its better than oral sex, it gives me control over all the action. Anyway, after soaping my self all over I use it to rinse and then concentrate on my clit. It doesn't take long before I come, then I keep at it until I come again. Too bad I have to stand in the shower or I would jsut keep going. -> From: Larry -> To: Sara Your shower got me hard just listening to you describe it...I closed my eyes for a moment and leaned back in my chair picturing you...watching you as the jet of water gushed against your furry mound...watching your fingers as you parted your labia to expose your delicious muff to the pulsating stream of watter..feeling you stiffen with excitement as the feelings intensified with the water rapidly massaging your tender clit... your other hand cupping your breast, massaging the slippery soapy water over your hard nipple...and then enjoying the climax of your cumming as you tightened your buns and jammed the spray full against your pussy... your eyese closing and your lips emitting light moans...and as you did you dropped the shower massage and pulled my waiting mouth tightly against your warm slit for more...and contrary to what you thought, you had the same control - because you told me and guided me with what you wanted... and I listened and responded...because to make you feel the best I could was all that I wanted for that delicious moment. Meet me and lets make it real...I understand your hesitency...and I share it...but I know there is something special and good waiting for us to share. I have access to a friends house in Santa Cruz if you can get off for an afternoon or morning sometime this next week...'course, there are always lot's of other options that are available...but this is ideal, private, discrete...and very nice! Think about it lover...as always, Reply I love what you did to me in the shower, but for real, NO. sorry. After your message I feel the need for another shower...... -> From: Larry -> To: Sara Well, I'm glad that you enjoyed my response to your shower message as much as I enjoyed the original...I understand your position too - and while I'm disappointed, of course, I really do appreciate your feelings and won't pursue the point. It'll remain with you as to whether you want to change that at any time...and I'll let you take the initiative from this point - which again I understand that at least for now is none. I'd love it if you would give me a massage here and tell me how you'd do it...I'll respond, of course, or you can tell me any other fantasy or thoughts or questions you'd rather hear or discuss. Any thoughts or ideas? I still think you're sweet - and I do understand, honest... Extra-special kisses - and caresses... Reply One of my favorite fantasies is to be on a secluded beach with my lover and have him rub suntan oil all over my body......... -> From: Larry -> To: Sara And as you lay there under the warm sun, I loosen the strings to your top and let them fall to your side. The creamy white fullness of your lovely breasts is evident even as you lay on your stomach. Taking the lotion in my hands I rub them together and begin with your feet. Bending your long sexy leg at the knee, I gently run lotion over your feet - massaging it in as I go...moving up your calves...kissing your toes as I do. And then the other lower leg, taking my time to knead the cream into the soft firmness of your skin. I then move up the back of your thighs - first on top...and then up the inside of your right leg. As I reach just below your tight buns, I sense you tighten them and push your pubic mound slightly forward. You sigh softly and spread your legs to give me better access to your inner legs. I do the left leg in similar fashion, though my fingers lightly brush against the small tuft of hair protruding...my fingers lightly -almost accidently push against your pussy as my strokes reach the top of the inner surface of your thighs. I move forward and sit astride your legs now as I do your back. The bulge in my suit strains as my cock begins to grow in response to the touch of your skin and your beckoning but subtle movements. I place my hands as the base of your back and move slowly upward...my cock nestles againnst your pussy and pushes forward and upward with my movements. Your back arches with me rythmically as I move forward, again and again. This time my hands stop briefly at the top of your back and slowly drop to th side of your chest...the fullness of your breasts pushes them outward slightly and I stroke the outer surface of each as your movements continue in sync with mine. My hands go to your neck this time and linger as I massage your neck muscles as you move your head in enjoy-ment...smiling..licking your lips slightly in a very sexy but again subtle way. My hands retrace again and this time you raise your back allowing me to cup your breasts fully...you reach beneath with one hand and push my hands together, rubbing them against your nipples...moaning slightly to my touch. You roll over now, your breasts exposed...still full, even on your back...your mipples erect...the mound of your pussy visible through the sheer bikini bottoms. I reposition myself to your side and begin to rub the lotion into your breasts...sliding down your stomach as I do...your fingers rub against my leg and slowly move on finger tips to my crotch as you slide them inside my suit and take hold of my fully swollen shaft. You softly slide your fingers up and down its length, feeling the slippery drops of lubricant that have worked their way to the tip. My hands move slowly down your flat tummy and beneath your suit to the silky hair above your mons. Rubbing softly, I move lower to the wetness of your pussy. As my fingers reach the entrance to your slit, you take your other hand and push my fingers into you as you arch sharply upward and emit a soft but emphatic moan of ecstacy. You take my cock now and slide my suit away from it...exposing it fully...raising your lips and tenderly swallowing the tip...then withdraw-ing it...then swallowing it again...deeper...and again...deeper. Two of my fingers now probe your wet pussy and your hips push against them as a my thumb rubs your wet and swollen clit...you begin to move more quickly... and more quickly...and then in rythm with your sucking movements as my cock slides in and out of your lips...and then I feel your legs tighten around my fingers as your hips almost leave the ground and you climax in a ripple of spasms. Your fingers now grasp my shaft and you begin milking it with them along with your lips and the trembling begins inside of me...and as my hand reaches to surround your breast...the powerful muscles at the base of my cock begin to convulse and the cum wells inside me for a moment and then shoots forth in a gushing flow into your receiving lips........ Reply Wow! Where did you learn to write like that? The only problem is that you got me all excited (really) and then didn't finish the message or maybe you did and just a few words were left out. Anyway it was a turn on and definitely made me wet. That is a fantasy that will be very nice next time I do myself. It doesn't seem right that your message is so long and mine is so short but what if we were in the hot tub?.... -> From: Larry -> To: Sara In the hot tub? Well, we would start by just getting relaxed in pleasant conversation... getting to know each other...removing the inhibitions that are naturally present that first time. We could talk about special sensual or sexual experiences we had that were particularly memorably or enjoyable...getting slightly turned on in the process. Feeling the warmth and the wetness in each of us, you would slowly move toward me..our eyes would meet..and our lips would touch for the first time in a gentle embrace. My cock would begin to harden...as your breasts press against my chest and your fingers glide gracefully against my fullness. Turning, I would ease you out of the tub and slowly lay you back as my kisses would explore all of you - beginning with your face and neck...fully covering your breasts and protruding nipples...gliding down your tummy...lightly kissing your furry mound and glistening slit..and enjoying your lightly spread legs. Only after putting in a trance like state of relaxation, would I return to your lovely pussy to focus the energy you now desperately desire on your special warmth and wetness... That time together is available - let me know and we can pursue it (as slowly as you like of course). Kisses - 'til I hear from your again, Reply Sounds so good. I would love to really do it but no thanks. Tell me something about your life. Is it like your stories? -> From: Larry -> To: Sara Well, some of my stories are extracted from real experiences I s'pose... I enjoy getting a good massage - and I have a masseuse who is very good. And I've had some romantic episodes over the years that have provided food for thought and fantasy as well...slowed down in recent years though! I'm basically straight in my married life (though it is strained and the thought of straying is very tempting)...very selective..and very discrete! So extra-curricular fun is difficult to find - though it would be very enjoyable with the right person. I enjoy talking and sharing - intimate play - tennis/walks - reading and philosophic discussion - and my work. Tell me about you!! Is there something you'd like to know about me in particular?? Bye for now, Reply I am just a middle of the road person. Nothing particularly exciting although I am reasonably good looking. Thats why I can dress the way I do. Tell me about your marriage, how is the sex, what do you like to do, what turns her on? Sara -> From: Larry -> To: Sara You are exciting, Sara...and I love knowing that you can dress the way you do because you're good looking (and I presume that includes a sexy figure) - but I don't know how you dress, so the picture is somewhat incomplete... though I'd prefer a personal assessment sometime. As for marriage, in short it's not good...as to sex, that's not good either - it used to be better...but over the past few years it's stale - and that's really dissappointing 'cause I know I'm a good lover...like to touch and be touched...like to experiment...like to talk quietly...like to pay special attention to my partner's needs. In fact my wife is so narrow in her sexual range that morning sex (which I love) is out of the question... she is non-orgasmic except from 9-10 PM! I've had a number of lovers over the years that shared a great sexual and sensual pleasure...but my wife, while a good person in many respects..a good mother...a fun person to play tennis with, see plays, etc....is not a sensual or sexual person. And I miss that! The best relationship I ever had was some ten years ago with a girlfriend that was 10 years younger than me...I was 29 - she was 19. We worked together...smiled at each other..and one day at a company party, went for a walk. She had a tube top on...it was a hot summer night...she was a beautiful lady...long, full dark hair..sparkling blue eyes...a mischievous smile...firm tummy...gorgeous tan...long legs...and a great ass! She was the most sexual person I've ever known - to this day. There are lots of stories I could share with you about her...and I will...hopefully in person, but also here if you like. And there are other stories that have been enjoyable and are fun to think back about! I've been very selective - especially in recent years...and have had only a few sexual partners (though I regularly see a friend/masseuse who gives an excellent therapeutic massage...which she ends with a wonderful hand job!!) Tell me about you too. Kisses - AM Reply My husband and your wife should get together, he is an evening person too. Sometimes he does a really good job of getting me hot and giving me an orgasm, sometimes not, but almost always in the evening. In the morning he always hops out of bed and starts doing other things. Net result is that I give myself a "hand job" some mornings. I have some very good orgasms that way. I would like to hear about your young friend with the tube top but here, not in person, sorry. Kisses to you too, Sara -> From: Larry -> To: Sara Her name was Sandy...that first night was like a dream. We were out walking in the warm, moonlit night during a company party held at a local hotel. I sensed more than an employment relationship and stopped, turned and took her hands in mine...our eyes met...and then our lips (just like a movie - corney but that's the way it happened. We kissed and I felt her hand slide from mine...down to my leg..and gently up against my bulging hard on. I don't recall the words we spoke - but they were soft, caring, expressive of an interest that had been mutually kindled over the prior months. I eased her top down (we were in a semi-private area - and the knowledge that someone might walk by actually heightened the excitement). Her breasts were full... her nipples hard...her tan accented the fullness of her creamy breasts. I cupped them...kissed them...nuzzeled against them. She suggested we get a room since we both knew what we wanted. I quickly arranged it and we literally tore each others clothes off in a frenzy of sexual excitement. She sucked my cock as I had never known...I kissed and licked every inch of her body...we alternatively made love and fucked and kissed and sucked for 4 hours...cumming and cumming...it was the first night of a relationship that went on for the next 18 months. I'll share with you some of the other times later...though I really do wish we could share them in person...when you're ready, if you just need time...and in total discretion, as our situations are similar in that respect..and with any other precautions either of us need to feel comfortable. There were other times you might find fun too....the night with a total stranger while staying at a friends in SF...the apartment complex I lived in after my divorce...the 3 female and 1 male roomies (was having fun with one..then one of the roomies -female, of course- got into the act...though I never enjoyed the two of them together!)...the matronly bank VP with the great ass...how about you? Descri Reply Your message was cut off again. You were just commenting about the matronly bank VP asking something like how about you (meaning me) and it ended. I can tell you one thing, my life hasn't been as exciting as yours. I feel a bit bad about you writing such long letters and mine being so short but I do enjoy your letters so much. I had one experience that was unusual from the situation more that the sex. I was going with this guy who had recently spearated from his wife (this was between my marriages). We had some great times together, like he was a really good fuck. Anyway my married girlfriend was telling me about this affair she was having but hadn't told me the guys name. She loved to give me all the details of their sexual exploits and they had a familiar ring. Well it turned out we were doing it with the same guy. Needless to say when he found out that we were telling eachother about his sexual exploits, he dropped us both. What a poor sport. I was sorry to see him go at the time, he could really turn me on, oh well. So tell me some more of your great stories, I love them. Sara -> From: Larry -> To: Sara Well, I'd love meeting you and your girlfriend for a menage a trois just for old times sake!! Sounds delightfully sensual. Now about the bank VP... I had just returned from a job out of state for a few years...recently divorced..and had been dealing with a banker friend of my dad. She was an attractive lady of about 50 - I was 30ish. We were at a bank party one time when she and I got talking about horseback riding sometime. I told her we should do it that weekend and she said that would be fun (I later found out she and her husband led very separate lives, he was a business exec and they didn't have a lot in common but stayed married anyway...not, unfortunately, like my situation sometimes). We arranged to meet at a restaurant up the peninsula and planned on riding on the beach near SF. I suggested we visit a friend of mine after we had ridden for a couple of hours...chatting and enjoying the afternoon. After arriving, I introduced her and we all sat around and had a few glasses of wine. After a bit, my friend left the room for a while and she looked over at me and told me that the riding today had given her crotch a sensual warmth and that she wanted me to continue that good feeling...she kissed me and began to fondle my cock which was beginning to bulge at her suggestion. It was getting late and we had to leave so I bid my friend farewell and we left. We kissed and fondled each other on the way to my car and when we got in, she began unzipping my pants exposing my now fully rigid cock. She held it and smiled admiringly and began to suck me softly and then plunging me deeply into her. We were parked in a fairly secluded place and I moved the seat back and enjoyed her wonderful blow job...I couldn't position muyself to fully reciprocate, but I was able to loosen her clothes and massage her breasts...they were full and firm..and her nipples stiffened at my touch. She move my hand down to her pussy which was drenched and I fingered her and played with her clit. (c Reply Why do your messages always seem to end before you are finished. It ended like this "played with her clit. (c". I assume after all this she did have an orgasm. One time I went sailing with this guy in SF bay. It was a rather calm day and we had been necking quite a bit. We were over near Hunters Point and things got so hot, sexually that is, that we anchored over near Candlestick Park. We went down into the cabin and he slowly started to undress me. He really enjoyed my breasts for a long time but finally got all of my clothes off and his too. The seat/bunk was rather small so I had one leg on and the other draped over on the deck. That spread me wide open and he attacked with his mouth giving me three orgasms. Then when he went in me the cushions we very firm and I was spread, as I said, so he pounded all the way in very hard, god it was great. I came again and he exploded inside me. It was some of the best sex I have ever had. Kisses, Sara -> From: Larry -> To: Sara Sorry to leave you hanging - what happens is that I run out of allowable characters. Tried to continue - ("c... but your box was filled....- wish it was filled by me!! Anyway, that's what happens... I liked your sailing story ...never fucked on a boat but I'll bet the rocking sensation must be fun...actually, I'm not much of a sailor but I'll bet we could rent one sometime and just enjoy it in its slip!! Sounds like you like your breasts fondeled...lots of clit licking...and deep, hard fucking! Me too...along with other variations of course. To finish the Bank VP story... I was playing with her clit..she was very wet...she slid the jeans she was wearing completely off ( I was a bit nervous since we were just parked in the car, but it didn't seem to bother her...and the semi-public nature of our tryst added to the fun). She was sucking my cock furiously now... her mouth completely swallowing my shaft and her fingers alternately rubbing my balls and ass and gripping my cock. She reached dowb with her other hand and shoved my hand into her pussy...I had two and then three fingers inside of her while rubbing her soaking wet clit and cunt hair... she pushed her mound against my hand and came explosively...she moaned enjoyably as best she could with my cock filling her mouth. And then I started to cum...she held the head of my penis within her lips and sucked against it as she milked me with her hand...she gripped harder and slid up and down faster and I exploded my wad...white cum filled her mouth and dripped over my pubic hair as she couldn't swallow it all. She kept me inside of her as she sucked for a few more minutes. Then she lay her head on my stomach and stroked my cock lightly as I did the same with her pussy. We talked...shared our sense of satisfaction. And she looked up and confided in me that she had never swallowed her husbands cum before..and that she really liked it! Next time...perfect sex with a perfect stranger! Kisses love. Larry Reply Hmmm..perfect sex with a perfect stranger.....sounds interesting. I have never done it with a complete stranger. Even the few one night stands I have had were with guys that I had seen quite a few times at a "body joint" bar before I made it with them. With one of them it was in a car too but not in quite the same form. We had parked in a lovers lane by a lake and were sitting in the back seat necking. It was a cold night to the windows were all fogged over and no one could see in. Things got very hot and I was fairly drunk so I just let things go to see what would happen. He spent a long time on my breasts (yes I do love it) and finally started on my pussy. I was wearing a skirt and panties, so he slipped my panties off to get at me beter. Well after he brought me to orgasm it was clear we shouldn't stop there so I unzipped his pants, he pulled them down. His cock was sticking straight up so I turned to face him and let it slip in me. With the small amount of room in the car I was in complete control so I went real slow, keeping him close to the edge for a long time. Finally he got off and filled me with his come. It was very nice if a little cramped. Sara -> From: Larry -> To: Sara Yes - cars can be fun...still...but they are cramped...and potentially embarassing (wet spots...police...etc). Loved your story though...and yes it got my cock hard and sticking straight up too!! Wish you were here to sit on it... THE STRANGER: I was up at my SF friends house (the same one I visited the banker with) and we had just come back from dinner and were talking about some old times together back in Florida where we met when there came a knock at the door. He answered and there stood a very attractive lady. He introduced her - we'll call her Sara - I recalled he had talked about her before. She and her hus- band were friends of his from Fla. and she was a sales rep for a Calif. based company. We sat around and chatted for several hours and sipped several bottles of wine. We had some familiar places and friends in common and she really did not seem like the stranger she was. It was now about 3 AM and she asked if she could stay the night (she had previously with my friend...as a friend and house guest only). There were 3 bedrooms and we all said goodnight and went to bed. As I lay in bed I couldn't help but think about her..she was very attractive, intelligent, self assured...had great little tits - nice sized, perky, and round...with a nice upward tendency, I guessed. She had sexy long legs...I recall she wore black pants, a white frilly but business like blouse, and a sport jacket. After laying in bed for a while...my eyes started closing...when I noticed the door open. A shadow appeared..moved closer...and whispered "Are you awake?" It was her! She was wearing a sheer nighty...she sat by the bed and leaned close. She explained she had never done this...but she felt an attraction to me...and sensed it was mutual. On hearing my concurrence, she began kissing me. Our lips met and we kissed excitedly. It wasn't long before her lips moved to my neck...to my chest..and down my stomach to my cock, which had been straining beneath the sheet in a full Reply Oops my mail box was full. How does the story end? -> From: Larry -> To: Sara Hmmm...I forgot the story I was telling you...remind me and I'll let you know what the ending was. Sorry love, Larry ....and I still want to know more about you...be as graphic and complete as you'd like...and tell me about your thoughts and ideals too, not just you physical dimension (though I love that too!)...and let's arrange a meeting. I know this would be even more exciting if we could put the thoughts with the face...it doesn't have be in a sexual setting (but that's ok too if you feel comfortable enough)... Kisses, Larry ================================================================ -> From: Morgan -> To: Sara Sara: I had another thing I was curious about, but if it is too personal, then you don't have to answer it. I saw that you mentioned that you have had a homosexual experience. I'd be willing to bet, based upon the large number of women on this system who categorize themselves as being "bi" that many more heterosexual women have experienced some interactions with another woman, than heterosexual men have with another man. Would you agree? If so, have you any ideas as to why this might be? In your case, how did it come about, and what thoughts went through your mind? -Morgan Reply I really cant comment on your ideas but I can tell you about my first time. The first time I did it with another woman was in college. It was with my roommate. We were both sexually active with guys and both hit an emotional low at the same time. Along with our natural curiosity it just seemed like a way to comfort each other. It was one of those cold winter nights (well it doesn't get all that cold in Berkeley but it seemed that way). We went to bed together and held each other close. All we really did was finger each other to orgasm but it was awful nice at the time. Considering the guys I had done it with it was really one of the best orgasms I had had. It makes me feel kind of warm to look back on it. I haven't seen her in years, its a shame to loose close friends like that. -> From: Morgan -> To: Sara Thank you for your letters. I appreciated the replies to my questions. One question you didn't reply to was whether you agreed with me that there are probably more predominantly heterosexual women who have had homosexual experiences, than heterosexual men who have had the same. And if so, why might this be? Was your experience with your college roommate a one time thing, or did it reoccur? And have you continued to have such relationships with other women? Again, if this is too personal, then you need not answer all of this. All for now. I appreciate also your being able to reveal your "true" self. -Morgan Reply Yes, I think you are probably right that there are probably more predominantly heterosexual women who have had homosexual experiences, than heterosexual men who have had the same. My opinion is that the reason would be that men have a stronger mindset, things have to be a certain way (some times called pig-headed, sorry). If it turns out they have homosexual atitudes they will make it the whole thing. Women tend more to go with the flow and let things happen to them, such as, get married but still be involved with other women. So much for opinions. As for being involved with other women, it was just that time in college, we did do it more than once but only a few times. So tell me something about your sex life, is it good? Sara -> From: Morgan -> To: Sara Dear Sara: Thank you for the reply. Your comments were interesting. As far as the answer to your question goes, the answer would be that it is nonexistent right now. I have been looking for someone compatible on and off for the last few years, but my studies have limited the amount of time I have to go out and meet people. That is one of the reasons (actually, the primary reason) I looked into this bulletin board. As limited as the questionnaire may be, it still tells me a lot more about a woman than I could tell just by looking and talking to one briefly, and it tells me more than most personal ads do. Up to now I have not met anyone through MM, but I sure do my best to give it a good shot. There was one woman who sounded promising, but then she got together again with her boyfriend. I have met a few woman through per- sonal ads. Only one, well two, were promising. One looked like it was heading somewhere, but it turned out that she was having a relationship with her housemate, and they got married! She was nice enough to invite me to her wedding, and I went! The other one was with a foreign born woman who was 10 years older than me. We had a few dates, but no relationship. When I inquired, she said that she just couldn't accept having a relationship with someone so much younger than she was, as much as she enjoyed my company. And thus, in summary, that has been my experience with women over the past three or so years. I am encouraged, at least, by the existence of this system: at least there is some hope here. There are also some women at work who I am friendly with, but nothing has developed yet. I'll ask you about relationships in the future. How long did you date various men until you decided to marry your husband? Bye for now. -Morgan Reply I was dating for about three years between marriages. I dated very little before I married my first husband, that might have been why he turned out to be the wrong guy. Do you go out with the women at work? Sometimes you have to push a little to get a womans attention, some of us like that (some don't). Off-the-wall question. Have you ever had sex with a woman during her period? I find that is my sexyist time. My first husband would do it but my present one won't. I often end up masturbating when my flow starts. What do you think? Kisses, Sara -> From: Morgan -> To: Sara Sara: No, I haven't gone out with the women at work, but I am working on it. As for the other question, the answer is no, but I'll keep it in mind for when I get a relationship going in the future. -Morgan Reply Don't just "work on it", go ahead and ask the prettiest girl for a date....... Sara -> From: Morgan -> To: Sara Hello Sara: I got your words of encouragement. I'll see what I can do. Things aren't always so easy when you see people often around work, and these could be awkward if you were to let someone know that you liked them enough to date them, when they may have no particularly strong interest in you. That is why I prefer to try to become friends with someone first, for then I can find out if they really like me, or if they are just friendly to everyone they meet. And, on occasion, I have found that certain women already have boyfriends, or are even married! and that this knowledge has saved me some embarrassment. -Morgan Reply Its been so long that I don't remember when I was last on. Sometimes I am just not in the mood for the BBS scene. How about you? My love live hasn't been to wonderful recently but thats par for the course. I did indulge in some petting with someone other than my husband though. It was really a thrill considering how little we actually did. We were in the hot tub, had quite a few glasses of wine and my husband had to run to the store for some things for dinner. Hal, the other guy, stayed in the tub with me and after a while we were very close and he started rubbing my back and worked his way around to the front. It was nice but about that time my husband came home and that was the end of that. What's been happening to you? ========================================================== -> From: Mary -> To: Sara Hi Sara, It's too bad he's conservative, and even more so that you find it hard to talk to him. Well if you ever want to talk you know where my mail box is! I really hope to hear from you soon.....Tell me whats on your mind. Reply Thanks for the reply. I am not sure if he is conservative or doesn't appteciate my sexual qualities. Basically I think he is too busy to think about them. If he is in the mood for sex we do it, if he is interested in lots of foreplay, we do that and it is generally good. If not its a quicky and he gets off but I don't. In actual fact he is really a good guy, just not really into pleasing me with sex. The result is that I don't want to do anything to upset our marriage but I do have my daydreams about sex, particularly making it with other women more than men. I have had a few bi experiences in the past and my daydreams lead (are part of) some very satisfying masturbation. It would be nice to have someone to talk to about it and maybe share some thoughts. -> From: Mary -> To: Sara susan, I think you are experiencing what a lot of women do. Men can be that way sometimes, but if your husband is that way all of the time perhaps you should give careful consideration to your situation. Sex is very important in a marriage. Have you ever discussed it with him? Another thing, Daydreams about sex are great. You shouldnt worry if you do it and give your self a little pleasure at the same time! Masturbation is very healthy! However, it is really nice to be satisfied by a man once in a while; in fact, it is necessary. Hope some of this makes sense. your friend Mary. Reply Thanks for your comments Mary. Yes sex is important and I have thought about my situation a lot. Its not that it is all bad. There are some times we have good sex and I come long and hard. And he really is a great guy so with a little help I can live through the times when it is "just for him". As for masturbation, I guess I feel okay about it but it has taken me a number of years to get to that point. Even though my parents never said a word about it I still somehow got the message it was bad. Do you masturbate much? How do you do it? -> From: Mary -> To: Sara Hi, Glad to hear everything isn't too bad! As for me and masturbation, I do it occasionally but my boyfriend usually keeps me pretty happy. When I do however, I usually use a vibrator. What About you? Well, I just wanted to say that I really enjoy talking to you! Write Back Soon.......Mary Reply Well, I have used my fingers a lot but I do have a vibrator and use it sometimes. Also I have just gotten a Water-pik, hand-held, in the shower, tht is really great. Sounds like your boyfriend is okay. Do you have really good sex with him all the time? I guess oral is the best for me but my husband doesn't do it very often even though he says he likes it. Have to run.... -> From: Mary -> To: Sara Sara, sorry it has been so long since I have written but I have had trouble getting throught to this system. Never Have tried the water-pik by bet it feels great! As far as how good the sex is with my boyfriend i have to say it is quite good ( oral sex is his specialty). However, I sometimes wish we had another women in bed with us to help cover for him in his weak areas. Thanks for the talk and please write back...Mary Reply Have you ever done it with another woman and a man at the same time? If your boyfriend is good at oral sex I wonder what his weak areas are. We had some really good sex this weekend. He ate me real well, probably the best he ever did. I had 3 orgasms, god it was good. Also we hadn't made it for almost 2 weeks and he got really worked up so when he finally came I thought he was going to flood me. As usual I didn't come again with him in me but the first part was so good and I just love to be filled up that way. It really was some of the best sex we have had, just wish I could figure how to make it like that all the time. Sara -> From: Mary -> To: Sara No I have never done it with a woman and a man and the same time but I always have wanted to try it. I definately Know my boyFriend wants to try it. The problem is that its hard to find people that are interested in trying stuff like that; What do you say? "Come over to my place and lets have sex with my boyfriend." I dont think that would work very well. I sure could use some help in this area! My boyfriends only weakness that I know of is he is a quick comer when he is to excited, but he usually gets the job done anyhow. Well nice talking to you and looking foreward to your next note. Mary Reply Okay, I really understand that, getting off too quickly. As I have told you that is sort of the situation with my husband although in his case it is also not taking the time to get me off. I don't remember if you said that you were interested in other women. Certainly if you had a girl friend that you had more than a casual relation with you could get her to become involved with you and your boy friend. Also there are probably some girls on here that would be interested. You could get to know each other and find out what kind of things she had done before ever comitting to a face to face meeting. I would love to volunteer but I won't, I definitely want to keep peace in the family. Question. Do you get extra sexy when you have your period? Did I ask you that before? I am about to start mine and I am extra sexy the first few days but my husband won't touch me. My first husband would, it was messy but good. Sara -> From: Mary -> To: Sara Sara, Yes I get horny as hell during my period but neither I nor my boyfriend will have sex during this time outside of the bathtub. It is like you said "Messy but good" but it is a little too messy for our tastes. Do You have children? Just asking because you said you wanted to keep peace in the family. As For Finding people on this system, I have so far found it rather difficult to get a face to face meeting with anybody. Everybody I guess just wants to type and doesn't want to talk either on the telephone or in person. I guess it is easier this way but it seems less personal. Who Knows? Well it has been nice talking with you...Good bye for now Mary Reply Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, I have had a really bad cold but I am doing pretty well now. No we don't have any kids around the house, they are with former spouses. Keeping peace in the family just refers to our marriage. I know what you mean about people on this system not being much on face to face. It is a place where you can share your thoughts without any risk, somehow that doesn't work in person. There are occassional parties at a local resturant, I have never been but some say they are lots of fun. The announcements are one some of the other DYMs like 408-733-6266 408-720-0724 and 415-964-3255. I sure have missed sex while I have been sick. My husband did me one night with his hand but mostly I have been a lump of nothing. How are things with you? Sara -> From: Mary -> To: Sara Sounds like you have had some rought times. Sorry to hear it. Things have been going Ok for me I guess....nothing to exciting to talk about. Thanks for the dym numbers I really appreciate that. Well cant think of too much to say, So I guess I will just look foreward to your next letter. Love Mary Reply Its been so long that I don't remember when I was last on. Sometimes I am just not in the mood for the BBS scene. How about you? My love live hasn't been to wonderful recently but thats par for the course. I did indulge in some petting with someone other than my husband though. It was really a thrill considering how little we actually did. We were in the hot tub, had quite a few glasses of wine and my husband had to run to the store for some things for dinner. Hal, the other guy, stayed in the tub with me and after a while we were very close and he started rubbing my back and worked his way around to the front. It was nice but about that time my husband came home and that was the end of that. What's been happening to you? -> From: Mary -> To: Sara Good to hear from you! Nothing that exciting has happened to me! I'm just a little bored,, not much new is happening with me. Sounds like you should be going out with hal! ================================================================== -> From: Patty -> To: Sara Hi Sara, I was delighted to have you write. I'm primarily interested in women rather than men. Women have always been better in bed than just about any guy I've ever found. I'd love to share my life/love with you, anything to enrich another womans life. Let me know what you want to talk about. Patty Reply I guess you could say I am more interested in men that women being married and all. I have had a few experiences with women in the past and when sexual things haven't gone too well with my hsuband I do think about doing it with a woman. I guess thats my fantasy when I masturbate. Are you living with someone and what is your life like? -> From: Patty -> To: Sara Right now I'm living with a girlfriend/lover. My life (both sexually and otherwise) is going great. Until I met up with Kathy (my flame), life was the pits. I'd been bi before that but was sort of drifting between male lovers. A constant relationship with a woman was never something I thought I would be involved in, more like a husband, 1.5 kids, and a dog. I used to fantasize about women alot, sometimes while I was make love to men. I've found that women understand me sexually a lot more than men ever did, mainly cause they take the time to please me ! How'd you first get started with women ? Especially since you seem so committed to your marriage ? Patty Reply The first time I did it with another woman was in college. It was with my roommate. We were both sexually active with guys and both hit an emotional low at the same time. Along with our natural curiosity it just seemed like a way to comfort each other. It was one of those cold winter nights (well it doesn't get all that cold in Berkeley but it seemed that way). We went to bed together and held each other close. All we really did was finger each other to orgasm but it was awful nice at the time. Considering the guys I had done it with it was really one of the best orgasms I had had. It makes me feel kind of warm to look back on it. I haven't seen her in years, its a shame to loose close friends like that. -> From: Patty -> To: Sara Considering your wider selection of sexual partners, how did you end up marrying your husband, i.e., was he this unsatisfying then or did he change over time ? When I was first introduced to sex with another woman, it was very satisfying sexually, but left me emotionally and mentally confused. You know, "it feels so wonderful, why does society think it is wrong". The woman who introduced me happened to be gay, so she was experienced and very good at lesbian lovemaking. We had an affair that lasted several months (this was during my senior year at high school), but I broke it off because guilt made me miserable. Sigh, must we always pay for our mistakes. Like your friend, I lost touch and haven't heard from her again. Anyway, I hope to hear from you some more. Bye for now. Reply There were two reasons I ended up in this marriage. First is that he is such a wonderful person in terms of treating me like an individual not a piece of property. There just don't seem to be very many men like that. Second the sex was very good at first, in fact, it was fantastic. Sometimes I had so many orgasms I would nearly pass out. Slowly we have drifted into the present situation, part of it is that he spends so many hours at work he isn't all that interested in sex. When we do have sex it is just that, quick sex, not much love. Don't get me wrong though, sometimes it is still quite good so I will get by. I very much know what you mean about guilt with other girls. I feel I missed out on some good times because I felt guilty about that kind of sex. Oh well, life goes on and I can dream..... -> From: Patty -> To: Sara Fortunately for me Sara, I've learned to overcome my guilt that dogged me through college and caused me to pass up some good times. I understand completely about the problem of finding a nice guy who understands and appreciates women. For me, it has been a real problem ..... Fortunately, I've found a woman whom I relate to perfectly. And despite both of us working long and hard hours, we still have found a way to keep the love, tenderness, sexual energy necessary in any real relationship. That's really the main difference with men, under pressure/strain they tend to forget about some of the subtle but important things in a relationship. Why don't you share a few of your fantasies with me ? I'll relate some of mine both real and imagined. I'm always interested/curious to see if I think any different from other women just because of my gay experiences. Reply I find the sounds of others making love to be very exciting. I enjoy making a lot of noise myself sometimes its really wild when I have an orgasm. What is your feeling about the sound side of sex, does it do anything special for you? As for fantasies about women, it mostly has to do with oral sex. I have my best orgasms that way and I want to do it to another woman so I can feel her contractions when she has it. Knowing how it makes me feel, it turns me on to think about bring right THERE when it happens to her. I have another question. Do you have sex during your period? I find I am most sexy then but my present husband will have nothing to do with me. It is a bit messy but I really want it when I have my period. -> From: Patty -> To: Sara Making noise during orgasm is fun ! I love talking my lover to orgasm as I eat her. We're both pretty noisy during sex .... it's just another sense being stimulated. I agree with you, knowing you are making love to a woman or being made love to by a woman is very important for me. I guess that's why I like 69ing so much, you are completely immersed in your partners body and can enjoy and sense her excitment and orgasms as well. Watching her vagina and anus go into contractions is visually very stimulating. If you are interested in really feeling the vaginal contractions you should try "fisting". Sex during my period is a tough one. You're right though, I'm usually at my horniest during that time. If handled right, sex during your period can be performed without too much mess. If you have a diaphram, you can insert that prior to sex, and your hubby probably won't even know, especially if he doesn't usually go down on you before fucking. Oral sex is a little more difficult, but can be performed. But in this case it's more to satisfy your lover than for you to get to much into the pleasures of oral sex. Usually, you confine yourself to the outer vaginal lips and the clitoris. A lot of times we use strap on dildos or other toys to help out during our periods. Course it helps a lot that our periods occur at the same time now. Reply What is fisting? I guess my limited experience with women really shows. I do appreciate you sharing so much with me. I don't even have a diaphram any more but that is a good idea, of course when you live with someone they pretty much know when you have your period anyway. My first husband was willing to do it when I had my period (sometimes) and we just put a towel on the bed, messy but nice and of course a shower immediately after. I know I complaing about sex with my husband but last night was great. For whatever reason he was in great form and ate me to 3 orgasms, it was fantastic and I was loud when I came. I think our conversation here made me more concious of it and so I was even louder. Sara -> From: Patty -> To: Sara Fisting is a term used to describing fucking a woman using your hand balled up into a fist. With lubrication and a little work, someone with small hands, like another woman, can put their entire hand into a woman's pussy and fuck her. Believe me, it is one of the ultimate ways to get off. No man's cock can compete with a fist and arm. Do you engage in anal sex in any form ? Ever tried or thought about trying to fuck your husband's ass (dildo, fingers) ? Does he like eating or fucking you anally ? Patty Reply Wow, fisting sounds great but as you say the person would have to have a reasonably small hand. I love to use a lot of lubrication, its just sort of sloppy fun. Sometimes my husband and I start our sex with mutual masturbation using lots of hand lotion, its great. Anal sex, yes I have done it a few times, I have to be very hot before I am willing. My present husband isn't into such things but I did it with my first husband a few times. I use to put 1 or 2 fingers in his ass and he loved it but, as I say, my present husband, no way. With my first husband we use to help the other one put their own fingers in their ass too, kind of an interesting experience. So much for times past. What do you think about anal sex and what sort of things do you do? Sara -> From: Patty -> To: Sara Fisting is fun. Actually, having small hands helps, but generally if your partner is willing to be slow, gentle, and use lots of lubricant, you can usually do it with anyone. The vagina starts to dialate during the process (usually when the woman is totally turned on) and that's when you can slide the fist all the way in. Gee, as for anal sex I use to not do it very much, only when I was very turned on would I engage in it. With women it has usually been a different story. More often than not during oral sex, my female lovers perform analingus on me or push (usually) several fingers up my ass. My current girlfriend enjoys fully exploiting my ass. She has really gotten into eating my ass, using her fingers, and shoving vibrators and dildoes up it. Right now, our lovemaking usually involves some sort of anal sex and I've gotten very used to it. I can accommodate very large dildos relatively easily. I've also learned to enjoy fingering and tongue fucking a womans asshole. However, one has to have a great deal of trust with your partner before you can do any of this stuff. Cleanliness is very important. Other things (whew) that I enjoy a lot are kissing and cuddling. Oral sex really turns me on as well. I especially love sixty-nining cause it feels so good to have women make oral love to me (they really are best at it) and know that it is a woman (mainly by having my face buried in her crotch at the same time). I tend to be the more passive partner and usually the bottom half of a sixty-nining session. I also enjoy it when my lover humps my face. To be perfectly honest, almost every aspect of sex turns me on and I enjoy it. Patty Reply I always thought I was a pretty sexy lady but you go me one better, I think thats great. People should enjoy themselves. The best part of oral sex to me is the close feeling when the person comes, you are right where the pleasure is, too bad I don't like to swallow cum a bit more. That is where woman to woman sex would be the greatest but as I guess I have said I haven't done it for many years. How often do you have sex? In my case its about once a week, not really enough. -> From: Patty -> To: Sara Frequency of sex is always a big problem for me. I usually engage in it four times a week or so (twice on weekends, twice during the week) on average. I love sex a lot, but the big problem is that my lover (Julie) or I are so busy and our sexual session usually take 1 to 2 hours. It literally eats up an evening (no pun intended) to make love (what with eating, chores, etc.). I agree, once a week would be unbearable for me .... maybe you should try to find a female friend to enjoy and pick up the slack a bit. Now I know why you masturbate so much. Can you deep throat your husband during oral sex ? Does he like eating you or does it take a lot of effort to get him to go down on you ? Do you fantasize sexually, or look at other women sexually when you see them ? Talk to you later, Patty Reply Well at least if you are too busy to have sex as often as you would like you have a full life. Thats better than waiting around for sex you may not get. I can deep throat but we don't do oral sex very often. When we do, mostly he does me but as you say it takes a lot of effort (or is it luck) to get him to do it. I don't really fantasize about other women when I see them, more when I masturbate. I do have a good look at other women but more in generall appreciation for their clothes and figure. It would be nice to have a girl friend to take up the slack but I really don't want to mess around outside marriage even with a women. Guess my fingers and vibrator will have to do. Do you ever have sex with men anymore or is it all with your friend? =================================================================== -> From: Tanya -> To: Sara That's interesting, my first experience was with my first college roommate too. I went to school at the University of Florida. It gets extremely hot there at night (no change from the days) and it was common for me, my roommate, and some of the other girls on the floor to run around in just our panties. Before coed dorms.... Anyway, one night we had been sitting around getting high before going to bed and were just absolutely fried when we hit the pillows. I was just laying there drifting, feeling horny, when I heard this kind of wet, slurpy sound that sounded familiar. I looked over in the moonlight and Joanne was playing with herself. I surprised my self with a tingle that started in my clit & spread... I was both slightly shocked and relieved when she whispered well, what are you waiting for? Needing no further urging, I followed suit and we both came quickly. She came over to my bed, kissed me, and then proceeded to work me over from head to toe. I came so many times I got incoherent and have loved doing it with ladies ever since. The next day Joanne explained that she'd been horny for me since the first day of school & she just couldn't resist. So, we got together frequently for the next 4 years for some real wild times, but those are other stories... Tanya Reply Sounds like you had some great times with Joanne. I really love it when the other person comes (man or woman) its such a turn-on for me. My roommate and I use to masturbate and watch each other come but it is a lot more fun to do it to the other person. And I do love multiple orgasms for me which I have only done when a guy eats me. Somehow the few times I have done it with other women we each only came once. How long have you been out of school? For me its been a long time and I have had only a few experiences with women since then. Being happily married and sexually satisfied helps but I do think of the "good old days" sometimes. Fortunately my husband is a good lover so sex is nearly always satisfying. Even so I do it to myself sometimes. I really enjoy your messages. Sara -> From: Tanya -> To: Sara I agree, it's a real turn on to watch another person come. That's one of the things I like best about sucking a man's cock. Sometimes I like to deep throat it and swallow his cum, but most of the time I like to pull my head back just at the right time and watch the jizz explode from his cock. There have been times when just seeing that has made me come myself. Once, I made love to a guy who hadn't had any in six months (or so he said) and you could actually hear him squirt. I thought I was going to drown... At the moment, my sex life is rather limited. I'm between men (and probably will be for a while, I'm burned out on the single scene.) and I have a couple of girl friends that I get together with occasionally for a little idle recreation. So, I have my hands, shower massage, and latex toys for company and we all get along quite well. I'm glad you're happy with your husband in bed, most of my married girlfriends aren't. They say that they've seemed to lose interest over the years. You said that you & your husband have done some interesting (I think that was the word) things over time. Being the voyeur that I am, like what? Anyway, keep in touch. I like "talking" to you too. Tanya Reply I don't know about six months, seems like a long time to go without sex. But I do know that if I haven't had it for a few days it seems to be easier to have an orgasm. As for loosing interest over the years, I will have to admit we don't do it as often, probably about twice a week but since it is good, I have no complaints. Lets see...interesting things, well I guess we haven't really done aything all that unusual. Different places in the house, I like in front of the fire the best but that isn't unusual at all. We once did it on the bathroom vanity. I had just taken a shower and he came in naked, backed me up to the vanity and started necking. After a bit of petting I was pretty wet and he sat me on the vanity and put his lovely cock inside me. He was standing and I was sitting. I really didn't think I could come that way but surprise, it was great. About being a voyeur, me too. I like to hear the sounds others make when they are doing it. I have never seen but I have heard. How about you, have you ever seen or heard others having sex? Sara =============================================================== -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Think I know what you mean about "enough" orgasms. I've always felt like the women I've been with need a little more than what I'm capable of. So, I try to take foreplay (is that spelled right?) as far as I can before having intercourse. They (except for my ex-wife) seem to appriciate it. And, it makes me feel good too. In fact, I think that I get more turned on from making a woman come several times before intercourse than from finally being inside her and having an orgasm with her. That's the crowning achievement though. So, what kind of bedroom activities do you like the most? As I've mentioned, I'm not the most experienced guy you'll ever meet (or not meet in this case), so all I really know about is pretty much straight sex. When I was living with Peggy (the bi gal I told you about) she had a great way of waking me up in the morning. She'd wake up about 5am, get under the covers, masturbate and suck me til I got an erection (which didn't take too long), then she'd climb on and start moving up and down very gently. About the time that she was really getting in to it, I'd wake up. Can you belive that I slept through that? Boy, do I wish she was around to wake me up now! Well, got to run... Take care of yourself & write soon, Walter Response: Walter, I cant really believe you would sleep through that. I have never tried that on my husband, sounds like an interesting idea. We don't ususally do it with me on top, it seems more difficult for me to have an orgasm that way. Sounds like you are a very considerate lover, giving a woman orgasms before you have yours. Too bad more men aren't that way. I guess I mostly like "straight" sex but with lots of oral foreplay. It feels best when a man is inside me and pushing very hard. Sometimes I end up kind of sore but it sure is good at the time. I have only had anal sex once and don't think I am missing anything but I do like it when a man fingers my rear while eating me. Have you ever had sex in any unusual places? I think about that sometimes but haven't had any really exciting things happen. -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Yeah, it does sound strange that I'd sleep through that, but Peg is a real catlike gal and I guess that I sleep a little deeper than most. But, it was a great way to wake up (specially for a guy like me who hates the morning). I know a lot of gals don't like it on top but, you ought to give it a few more trys. If you put a good sized pillow under your man's back it will let your legs fall down beside his hips farther and; instead of lying on top, just kneel and lower yourself on to him. When he's inside you, you can change the angle by leaning forword or back. When you change the angle, it should change the amount of pressure on your clitoris and since you will be pretty much controling the action, you will be able to make the speed coincide with the pressure that you want at the time. Your man should like it as well since just about his whole penis will be inside you and; as you probably know, most men like the feeling of being deep inside a woman. Anyway, don't give up on being on top... give it a few more shots to check it out. It's a shame that part of your note was garbled... the part where it said, "It feels best when a man is inside me and...." and thats where I got bunches of crazy characters. I'm really sorry that whatever it is makes you sore but I'm glad that you enjoy it! As far as anal anything goes, I guess that's kind of a health hazard nowdays. But, I used to date this one gal who just loved to have her vagina and anus fingered at the same time. She had the most phenominal orgasms when I did that. The first time it really scared me, I thought she was going into convultions. Anyway, as far as sex in strange places goes, well.... I'm about like you are on that score. Although, when I was in high school I was visiting this girl in Kern County and we came real close to getting it on at the county museum. Does that count? Well, got to get a move on... almost 4am (yawn) Take care and jot a line or two real soon... Walter Reply Okay, I am convinced, I will go for on top and see what happens. He pretty much likes to have control so I will have to wait for my chance. As for getting sore, not really a problem. Its just that he pounds into me so hard some times I end up a little sore but not in the important parts. I lubricate a lot so no problem there. I am not sure if I have "phenominal" orgasms but I do make a lot of noise when I come. There have been times when I know other people have heard me but that actually makes it more exciting. Did I tell you about the time someone actually watched my first husband an I making love? I find that letting myself go with lots of moaning makes it better for me and guys have told me it turns them on. I think my husband likes it, at least he doesn't complain, I just wish he would make me do it more, oh well. So what are you doing up at 4AM? -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Oh yeah, 4am! Well, it seems as though I went over to a friend's house yesterday to copy some programs and he's not too organized (or maybe he thinks that he's organized and he's not). Well, I came away with about 15 discs. Some had programs but no system, some had programs and systems but there was data on the disc that had nothing to do with the program. Anyway, it took about 6 hours to sort it all out. I ended up with what I went for, it just took a lot longer than I had intended. But, I think that I've mentioned before, I am one of the original night people! Anyhoooo, I'm glad that you mentioned the moaning (or noise in sex in general). The galthat I told you about (the one with the real heavy orgasms), well, we had some real good sex (at least I thought we did). It turned out that when I did that little trick with my finger in her anus and my thumb in her vagina (which incidently lets the heel of your hand rub up against the clitoris) and thought that she was having convulsions.... it turns out that she had been keeping herself under control for several months and that was the trick that made her lose it. She said that since I was so serious about lovemaking, she thought that she ought to be serious about it too. Well, just goes to show what can happen when a guy and a gal don't talk... What do you mean "you wish he would make you do it more"? Do you mean have sex more often, make you come more when you have sex or what? I guess I'm kind of like you, I don't have sex enough to suit me so, I spend lots of time masturbating. If the truth were known, I'm lucky I get to do it with a woman once a month. Guess it pays to have a vivid imagination, huh? Well, looks like I'm about to run out of room again! Take care and write soon... Walter Reply I guess we have sex reasonably often, about twice a week. The problem is I don't have orgasms every time unless we have oral sex. Then it is okay, sometimes I even come twice. It is the times when there is very little foreplay that I don't like. Sometimes I masturbate later or the next day to make up for it. Even when I do myself I like to make lots of noise, just makes it feel better. -> From: Walter -> To: Sara I sure do wish I could find a person like yourself! Not you personally (I don't want you to think I'm comming on to you, cause I'm not), but someone like yourself who needs a little more out of sex than others. Being single and a little (well, let's face it, VERY) shy, I spend more time with "Mother Thumb and her four daughters than I care to think about. I guess that I was born a few years too early, the sexual revolution came and went and I didn't even get to fire a shot! Not that I'm any kind of expert, but I understand that it's a lot harder for a woman to masturbate to orgasm than it is for a man. Is that true? What I mean is, does it take a lot longer and you need more uninterupted time? I know that when I do it, it's like I just want to get finished with it sometimes... you know, kind of like getting done with something that needs to be taken care of... You mention oral sex and how you don't always have orgasms unless you partake of it... do you ever climax from straight vaginal intercourse? I know that it pretty much of an impossibility to climax together everytime, but I was wondering if you ever do. I've had it happen twice... once with Peggy and I thought she was going to break my penis when she came. Of course, she used to do exercises to keep those muscles toned-up, so that may have had something to do with it. I used to kid her about the exercises, but; she had so much control in her vagina that she could almost make me come without either of us doing any thrusting in and out. Gees, thinking about that makes me wish that she hadn't been quite so tight with her share of the rent and such! Oh well... easy come, etc... well, take care and write soon... Walter Reply Is it harder for a woman to masturbate to orgasm? I don't really know. When I do it to my husband it takes a long time but that probably has to do with the fact that we both want it to. How long would it take if he wanted it quickly? Maybe I will try to find out sometime. Anyway for me its more the mood than the time, of course time can help get in the mood. I think I have done in 3 minutes or less. I like to do it in the shower and there are times when I have to hurry things. Most of the time I like to take at least 10 minutes. Yes I can have an orgasm with a man in my vagina but again its mood that counts. Unfortunately that doesn't happen too often. As for both having an orgasm at the same time, that has happened a few times but not lately. I don't think it is too important. The main thing is that both be satisfied which is what I miss much of the time. Sounds like maybe you miss Peggy a lot. I would like to hear more about your times together. -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Well, I don't really know what to tell you about Peggy. She and I weren't together that long (only about four months, maybe five). We really enjoyed each other except for a few quirks. We were great in bed together and liked many of the same things in life. I'm not sure where her problem came from, but, although she spent 5-6 nights a week with me, she still kept her appartment. I think that her independence was threatened. Anyway, she couldn't afford to help out with my rent and after paying child support & all the other stuff I couldn't afford the larger appartment... oh well... I think that what it gets down to now is, that I've been alone for a while now and all I have to think about are the memories, that's why I miss her. How about a brighter thought or two... you mentioned mood in your last note a couple of times. If you wouldn't mind, I'm curious, what kind of mood are you talking about? I think I've mentioned Kathy before, she used to have the best time in bed if she were a little depressed about some thing when we started. It was almost like it got a lot better because she had the problems lifted from her mind. What do you think? Well, take care of yourself, Walter PS: After I wrote you the other day, I thought that maybe I shouldn't have made the comment about comming on to you (even though I wasn't). Well anyway, I hope you took it as a serious complement and nothing more. Bye-bye Reply Well you know that is a really good question, about moods. Basically it has to do with how I am feeling about sex at that particular moment rather than other things in life. Of course if I am angry at my husband that generally affects how I feel about sex. Some times I just get sexually very hot, maybe its need, maybe its how my partner is acting. I guess you could just put it down to some times are better than others. When I get really hot I want to come more than once and it has been a couple of those times when I was willing to do anal sex. I am not sure I really like it but if I am in the right "mood"..... I don't think you told me about Kathy, I'm listening. No problem about "coming on to me", we are having a good time here and thats fine. -> From: Walter -> To: Sara So, you want to know about Kathy... well, she was a really fine lady in my life. With out a doubt the best of the bunch... small though the bunch was (or is for that matter). Kathy was the gal that had such a tremendous climax that I thought she was having a seizure or some such thing and got really scared. Well, anyway... we went together for about two years. We would have made a real good couple and I think, a real good life together if I hadn't been quite so selfish. She just wanted to love someone and picked me out... I wanted sex and someone to love me... but, I also wanted to have my kids, my home and everything that went with them.... Well, in other words, I wanted my cake and to eat it too... that dosen't work... as I found out...after a while, she told me to get lost. I don't blame her for that. In your last note you said that I missed Peggy.... well, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't kick myself for losing Kathy... if I miss anyone, it's her. Unlike my exwife, she was always ready to make love... not just have sex (which my ex wife wasn't willing to do either) but to make love. She really enjoyed and wanted me to be with her and in her. She gave every ounce of energy to prove it all the time. Funny thing was that when she'd have one of those "I can't control myself" climaxes, she'd get all embarrassed about it. She'd tell me how she felt bad that she lost control and wasn't paying attention to what I wanted... boy, that just made me want to do it again and again... so much for that... she's gone and I DO miss her... she still works for the same company that I do.... every once in a while I look her up in the company directory, just to see what she's doing... but that's about as far as I get... wouldn't dare call... after what I did to her... well, it wouldn't seem right.... anyway... running out of room again. Boy do I get wordy sometimes... take care and jot a note soon, Walter Reply I don't mind you getting wordy, I like it, just wish I had as many words to return. It seems the story is that Kathy was an affair you had while still married, then she turned you off, then later you got divorced. What isn't clear is why Kathy is so off limits now if you are free (are you free?). Not that any of it is my business. Yes you had told me about Kathy before but I don't think you mentioned her name. Its too bad some women can't enjoy sex, like your wife, while some of us really get turned on like me and Kathy. What was it like with your wife, there must have been something? -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Don't mind the question at all... Well, let me try to explain... you're right, Kathy and I had an affair while I was still married (and, yes I am free now). I guess that the only reason that she's off limits now is that I'm making her so. After lots of soul searching, I saw what I had done to her and; it didn't make me real proud of it... I think I really hurt her. I found myself telling her anything that I thought she wanted to hear, just to get what I wanted out of our relationship and; I didn't have her perspective in mind at all... that's not how to develop a partnership. Wounds like that don't go away... I doubt that she'd talk to me anyway... The wife thing... yeah, there was something there (and I guess that there still is a little). We were very young and; as many young folks do, we had sex before we got married. Well, as it turns out, she got pregnant and we got married (very formal... white shotguns)... I hope that you've figgured out by now that sex to me is a very special thing between two adults... one shouldn't put out just because the other wants it... it should be a mutual desire... anyway, after we got married, she sort of took on the attitude that if I REALLY HAD to do that, then she'd put up with it... her idea of fun in bed was to bring me toast and coffee in the mornings. Then, there was the weight thing... she kept getting heavier and heavier... wish I had some of the money back that she spent trying to take it off. Because of some religious hang-ups, I guess she thought that I wouldn't get a divorce (ever), so she could do what she wanted and things would be great forever... But, even I could put up with only so much... and here I am... Yeah, we had kids... how did we get them... you know about the first one... the second came when she thought the marriage was falling apart and needed help... had me fooled... I thought she had a change of attitude about our relationship... well, looks like I've run out of room again... TTFN, Walter Reply Sounds like a pretty terrible marriage. How long did it last? I guess some women just aren't interested in sex, too bad for them and their partners. You say she was religious, maybe that was part of the problem. I definitely won't let anyone tell me how to run my life in that way. As for getting heavy, well that happens. I know quite a few heavy ladies who have great sex lives. We all could afford to loose a few pounds, most of mine is on my hips (but not too much). Also I am rather large breasted but men like that. Are you a breast man or don't you care? -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Well, it wasn't an altogether terrible marriage... but, then again it wasn't the greatest either. I think you missed my point...one of the big reasons that we stayed together as long as we did was part of our religion... something that we both grew up with. It's real hard to change your mind about some things when you've grown up with them. Anyway... water under the bridge... Your question about being a breast man.... now, there's an interesting subject. I have asked myself that same question many times. To tell the truth, I don't know... I look at some ladys and think that they are very attractive when there isn't much on top... and others who have a great deal to offer are also attractive to me. I guess that as far as I'm concerned, it all comes down to how well the whole package is put together. You know, does everything look like it belongs there. I have to say that of the few women I've been with, their chest size hasn't made too much diference in the quality of their love making. But, in the final analysis, I guess that like most men, the first thing that attracts my attention is a woman's breasts. So, from that standpoint I would think that I'm a breast man... but, past that it doesn't bother me one way or t'other.... well, got to run... getting a little late...hmmmmm, just thought... since you have an attraction to women as well as men... what do you think... what turns your head and gives you ideas when you see a lady that gets you a little excited? Well, I mean it this time.... got to go... take care and write soon... Reply I think most guys are breast men, at least they are when they look at me. I enjoy making myself attractive for them, particularly in the summer with no bra. What do I look for in a woman, overall figure and dress, then face and breasts too. Have you found that women with small breasts are unhappy about it, some of my girlfriends sure seem to think they are missing something important. I understand more about your marriage now, thanks. My period is comming on soon, makes me more sexy. Do you have sex when the woman is having her period? How do you feel about that? -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Sheets are not the reason, a towel in the right place will take care of that. Funny you should ask about having sex with a woman when she's having her Some women just don't feel it is the right thing to do, same with some men. period... I only did that with my little bi friend Peggy... for some reason It is a bit messy but I like it. she had a real light period... wasn't much there at all... to be honest if it weren't for the occasional cramps, I wouldn't have noticed the diference... but, I didn't have any cares about it one way or the other... for the most part it was the gal who didn't want to have sex when she was having her period and not me... there seemed to be a big concern about the sheets!Well, they're going to shut the system down shortly, so... guess I've got to go... maybe I'll write more later... take care, Walter -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Hey Sara, Sorry I haven't gotten back to you but, things have been keeping me away from the computer. So.... anyway, curious you mentioned your friends with the small breasts... the ones who think that they're missing out on something. I knew a couple of gals (a few years back) who thought just the opposite... in fact, they were real serious about having a reduction done... they sort of felt that everyone was out to get them.... the guys, the bra manufacturers... Not to mention the (and I don't know this for a fact being very flat chested myself) pain of having to lug all that arround and have it bounce up and down besides. So, how does your husband feel about you going bra-less in the summer... personally, I don't mind it at all (watching bra-less women that is)... my ex used to do that sometimes, but she was so overweight that no one paid much attention. So, it didn't bother me. Kathy used to go bra-less once in a while but; she had very firm breasts and not too large... so, no one paid much attention to her either (for that reason anyway... she was very attractive in the first place (asside from the great sex and good relationship, I really enjoyed showing her off)... then, on the other hand, Peggy.... well, I can't remember ever seeing her wear a bra... but, then again, talk about flat chested.... I think that I've got more chest than she does... just thought... Kathy once told me that she was kinda disapointed in her breasts... wished they were larger... she used to call them "teeny-bopper-tits".... well.... on that happy note, think I'll call it an evening.... take care of yourself and I'm really sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.... write a line or two when you get a chance... Walter Reply I know what you mean about some women with breasts bigger than they want. One of my girlfriends had breast reduction done and she really likes it. I am very happy with my size and let people know it by the way I dress particularly in the summer. When women have small breasts I think it is such a waste to wear a bra. Somehow mothers should learn not to be so repressive with their daughters, fortunately mine was very liberal. She had me on the pill 2 years before I had my first sexual experience. -> From: Walter -> To: Sara I really agree with your Mother... better safe than sorry and; of corurse, now days it's a pretty good idea to use a condum.... But I'm not sure if I agree with you on the bra issue. As I've mentioned, I enjoy a bra-less woman as much as the next guy. However, as time goes on a woman's chest muscles start to weaken and sag... I guess that what I'm saying is that it's ok if the gal keeps it in mind that she really has to keep those muscles in shape... Of course, she not only has to have it in her mind, she has to do something about it... exercise every day. It only takes five minutes, so what's to lose? Well, best be running... take care & write soon, Walter Reply Yes, I suppose exercise would be a good idea. I jog but don't do anything for my breasts. Enough about breasts, what is the most orgasms you have given a woman in one love making session? Sometimes I have 3 or 4 with oral sex. Sometimes none with regular sex (bah!). -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Boy, can you ask some questions... I don't really know... I guess that it's different with different women. And I'm not too sure how a woman counts orgasms. Like with Kathy... well, she'd start off with a few shakes and shudders and it was all up hill from there... but I'm not alltogether sure if it was one orgasm that just kept growing or if it was several that started small and ended up big. I'm just not sure. But, one thing is certain though, and that is that I always tried to make sure that whoever I was with was at least on the verge of comming before I entered her. Kathy told me once that she really liked having sex with me because I was able to bring her up close to an climax and then back off and take her down slowly and then back up again several times... she said that it made our time together a very pleasant experience... it made her feel as though she didn't have to control anything... she could just lay there and enjoy... Of course, she wasn't the kind who wouldn't pull her share either... she knew just about how much teasing I could stand and would back off at the appropriate moment. We would do that for the longest time... although I never thought about watching the clock, so I couldn't tell you just how long it was. You seem to really enjoy oral sex. Which to you enjoy more giving or recieving? What do you enjoy about it the most? How about with another woman... are you active or passive? Questions, questions, questions... but, how's a guy supposed to learn about this stuff... I've never been too good at oral sex myself... then again... I guess that practice makes perfect and; if you don't practice you'll never get the hang of it! Well, got to run... take care and jot a line or two (wish you'd write more - I enjoy your letters so much) when you have time.... Walter Reply When it comes to oral sex I will have to admit I prefer to receive than give. Its oral sex that really gets me off, the 3 or 4 orgasm trip. Its orgasms that I want and I have difficult getting them with the guy in my vagina, sometimes it works but not often. I don't think I do a very good job of giving head and having the man come in my mouth isn't too good for me. Yes I have done it but I keep it a minimum. As for other women I have had almost no experience. Just a few times with my roommate in college, but I do fantasize about other women sometimes. Please feel free to ask me any questions, I'll do my best to answer. Can you have more than one orgasm in a love making session? Sara -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Well, my record for multiplicity of orgasms (I've been waiting for years to use that word!) is six in one session... but, that was a long, long time ago. In fact, it was when I got married... on our honeymoon (such as it was)... normally, I guess that I'm a regular guy... you know, once in a session... maybe twice... but, since I don't have what one would call a regular sex life, the point is really moot. When I was with Kathy (and Peggy too for that matter) I would usually come when we went to bed (after a lot of lovin') and again in the morning... Damn, that was a great habit to get into! But, that still gets down to once per session... How come you don't feel that you do a great job of giving head? If there aren't a lot of complaints, then I would think that you're not doing so bad. But, then again, I don't have too much room to talk... I don't think I'm so hot at going down on a woman either. In fact, Peggy once told me that if there was anything I needed practice at it was going down on her... Well, getting late... so, I'll be running off to bed... Take care and jot a note soon, Reply Six orgasms is quite a few for a guy. The best I have ever seen is three. You say your honeymoon "such as it was". Was it not good? Sounds like you can't complaing about the sex or can you. Maybe she didn't enjoy it as much as you. As for sex in the evening and morning, I have been there too, I like mornings best though. When it comes to giving head, I talked to one of my girl friends on this BBS and she gave me some hints. The actual fact is that my present husband doesn't like it much so maybe the problem is more him than me. Kisses, Sara -> From: Walter -> To: Sara You bet that six is quite a few for a guy! If the truth were known, I thoght that I'd never be able to have sex again when it was over. What I ment by the honeymoon being "such as it was" is that it was very short (a weekend) and what the whole thing amounted to was getting married and having sex for about 12 hours straight then going home. As far as her not enjoying it as much as I, well to be honest, I really couldn't say... she seemed to want to make love (that weekend at least) and; she seemed to enjoy it. But I wonder if she was doing it because that was what was supposed to happen on a honeymoon or if she was really getting into it. It seemed as though our marriage went down hill after that. She'd find every excuse in the book not to have sex... and I don't believe that it was me that she didn't want to have sex with... she just didn't want to have sex period... Of course, when I would get to the point of looking elsewhere, of course she would give in. But, when that happened it was more like "OK, do what you have to do and let me sleep." Im not the kind of person who will force himself on a woman, even my wife... figure that if she doesn't want me... then that's the way it is. I figured that this whole thing would pass after a few months. But it kept on like that for years... I'm real patient... sometimes too patient for my own good. I guess that by now, you think I'm a real stupid person to have put up with it for all those years... I tend to agree. But then again, I honestly thought that she would see my side of things. When it's all said and done, I'm not sure if I'm any better off without her than with her... my sex life is still nowhere and I spend my nights in a cold bed... on the positive side, I do have the chance to go out and look, even tho I can't seem to find the words to... oh well... my problem)... well, looks like I'm running out of room... thanx for the kisses & same back, take care, Walter Reply Sounds like she was a real looser. What was she like other than in bed? Maybe that is why you stuck with her for so long (how many years?) I have a suggestion for you. Write to Susie456 on this board. Please don't say who sent you, but come on strong, she might be the one for you. Let me know what happens. Sara -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Well, I don't know if "loser" is the right word... Let me tell you just a little about my logic in staying with her for so long (19 years to be exact). First, as I've mentioned, she was pregnant when we got married and; after that one great night (our honeymoon) she just sort of turned off to sex. At the time I felt that it was because she was pregnant and very upset about it. Kind of like she lost her youth and freedom all in one shot and I was the one who stole it from her... anyway, I kept thinking that if I gave it time, the whole situation would change and we'd have a normal married relationship (you know, sex two or three times a week... a loving caring type of thing where she wanted me just as much as I wanted her). But, as it turned out, she made almost every excuse in the book, except "I have a headache." As I told you, when I made noises like I was going to go elsewhere for sex... then she'd put out... but it was like submission not love making... then she started gaining weight... I think she figured that it would slow me down if not keep me away. Well, as it turned out she was at least partialy right... when I got hooked on Kathy I found out what it was like to really be wanted and (I have to be honest) I found out about what being with a great looking, sexy woman was like! Sure the overweight turned me off after that... boy, did I keep my distance... I didn't bother to even ask after that. But, she does have her really great side as a person and a partner.... we did lots of things together and she's a great mom for the kids... I guess that for outward things, she was a great wife but; as far as interpersonal things go, the pits. I just got to the point where my sex life was limited to masturbation in the shower... anyway... that's the short version... and I've written to Susie... but I didn't come on strong... that's just not my style. Thanx for the recomendation though... who knows, maybe she'll see something in my note. Take care, hugz, Walter Reply Well so much for that marriage, I can understand where you are coming from. Funny thing is that some heavy women are very sexy but thats not a rule, just an observation. So tell me, what would you like to talk about? I am open for any questions. s -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Well, what do I want to talk about? Let's see... you mentioned a while back that you masturbate quite often... what's quite often. For me, it gets down to about once a day... usually before I drop off to sleep... I would think that in your case, it would be somewhat less since you have a regular partner to have sex with. Also, do you use anything beside your finger when you do it? When I was with Kathy the subject never came up... But, when Peggy and I were together, we talked about it often... She was adamant that all she needed for a good time on the spur of the moment was what God gave her. She liked to masturbate in front of me... it really turned us both on. Well, best be moving on... but, I want to tell you that I really don't have anything against heavy women... in fact, as you said, I find some are very attractive and sexy... but, my ex isn't just heavy.... No, No! 5' 4" and 230LBS goes way past heavy.... When a guy gets cramps in his hands holding the flab apart while trying to get into a little heavy foreplay, well, that's not a real pleasant experience... it isn't something that a person wants to do over and over... well, enough of that! Your friend Susie says that she thinks we ought to get together... she's going to call me sometime this week. I'll let you know how it works out! Take care, write soon... Walter Reply Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, I have had a really bad cold but I am doing pretty well now. As for masturbation, probably once a week just depends on my mood. I mostly do it in the shower and use a hand-held shower massage but I also do it with my fingers in bed or with our vibrator. Its "ours" because we use it together sometimes. I think its neat if someone feels relaxed enough to masturbate in front of someone else like Peggy. Did you ever do it for her? -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Long time.... nice to hear from you again. Well, I guess that everyone has their hang-ups. I offered to masturbate with her or for her... and she said no. Just as simple as that. No explainations, just "no!" Never figured that one out... she was the one who was sexualy liberated... I guess that there was at least one place where she drew the line. Well, there were really two... she wasn't into pain and bondage, stuff like that. By the by, I've be coresponding with your friend Susie. A different sort of lady, I think that she's a bit of a tease (in fact she admits that herself). I also think that she talks a good line but that's about as far as she intends to go with it. But, her notes are fun and; what the hey, it's something to do! Well, here tis Saturday again... housework day! So, best be running along. Good to see that you're healthy again and fun to get another of your notes. Take care and write soon, HUGZ, Walter Reply Its been so long that I don't remember when I was last on. Sometimes I am just not in the mood for the BBS scene. How about you? My love live hasn't been to wonderful recently but thats par for the course. I did indulge in some petting with someone other than my husband though. It was really a thrill considering how little we actually did. We were in the hot tub, had quite a few glasses of wine and my husband had to run to the store for some things for dinner. Hal, the other guy, stayed in the tub with me and after a while we were very close and he started rubbing my back and worked his way around to the front. It was nice but about that time my husband came home and that was the end of that. What's been happening to you? -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Sorry to hear that your love life isn't all that it could be... but then again, who's is? I don't know how sensitive you are to stuff like this, but; it turns out that your friend "Susie" is a guy... To be real honest (my biggest fault, too honest for my own good), I'm having some second thoughts about you and who you really are... "Susie" left the board with a real embarrassed note about the same time that you droped out of sight. So, I kinda put 2 & 2 together... Of course, that dosen't make it so... but, you have to admit that it's a little fishy. If you and "Susie" are one in the same person... I've got a problem... after all, you and I have been pretty frank with each other and that makes things a little embarassing... Then again, if you aren't the same person... no harm done I guess. What I'm getting down to is, that before I started writing to "Susie" you and I had some great conversation. It was intimate and, I thought, very honest. Now, I'm not sure of who you are or what I can tell you. Maybe it shouldn't matter all that much. After all, if I don't know who you are, I can think of you any way that I want to. But on the other hand, with a few exceptions, I've never been taken seriously as a love partner by most females. Most of them just sort of chuckle at the prospect. Now, I have some guy laughing at me too... it's a bit much to take. What it all gets down to is that I would really like to know who you are... it would resolve a whole lot of problems for me... I've really enjoyed your notes and, once again to be very honest, I'm still looking forward to them... So, what say? What do we do to resolve this. I know that it might create some problems for you and I don't want to do that. But, we're both adults and I know that I could handle it... after all, I've spent most of my life in a "hands off" situation. So that's nothing new for me... Your thoughts? Take care, Walter Reply Walter, I am really sorry to hear that Suzie turned out to be a guy. I had no idea. Actually I got the name from someone else on the board and thats why I didn't want you to say who it came from. As for me I am definitely not a guy. I can understand if you would prefer to play it safe but in any case the things you disussed with me will go no farther. Sara -> From: Walter -> To: Sara Well... guess I'll take your word for it... no reason not to believe you. Water under the bridge I suppose. Better things to chat over than some idiot out there playing the part of a sweet young thing with the hots for.... well, enough of that... So, it sounds like you're a little more than tempted to have a little affair... things that bad at home? As usual, my love life could use massive infusions of a feminine personae... Well, got to head off to work... could be I'll write more later if I have time... Take care (and my appologies), Walter ========================================================================= -> From: Sam -> To: Mary We got married when we were around 20. At the time we both liked a lot of the same things, going Joecing, camping, snow skiing, etc. As time when on I kept liking these things while she became more job oriented and started going to school. I guess what it comes down to is that we didn't like the same things anymore. We each had our own circle of friends and kept getting farther apart. It ended rather peacefully. Sam Reply I know what you mean. That is pretty much the way it was with my first marriage. We didn't end quite so peacfully though. I got involved with another guy and decided to leave my husband. As you might expect it didn't work out with the other guy but after a few years I met my present husband and we have been very happy for over 5 years. I really learned a lot about life and sex between marriages although I suppose it would have been different if I knew then about aids. Sex is an important part of my life and my husband really knows how to turn me on. Mary -> From: Sam -> To: Mary Sex also plays an important lifet my lifet although there is not anyone special at this time. As far as knowing how to turn someone on, are you talking physically or mentally? I think setting the stage for seduction is every bit as important as sex itself. The sharing of a fantasy can be a lot of fun for both. Reply I do want to be turned on both mentally and physically. I would avoid any situation where the mental part wasn't right so it gets down to the physical part for the final note. I need lots of affection and petting to get me going. Mary -> From: Sam -> To: Mary The mental part for me is more sight and sound oriented. Soft music and a sexy outfit will do it almost every time. Sometimes even a large oversized men's shirt does wonders. Sam Reply I love to dress sexy. Summer is on its way and thats my time. I have nice breasts and like to let people know it. Maybe I am a bit of an exhibitionist. It is a turn on to know guys are having a good look. My husband loves it too because he gets the benefit of my excitment at the appropriate moment. Mary -> From: Sam -> To: Mary you sound like my kind of woman!! One of my favorite fantasys is being teased by a beautiful woman who likes to show a bit of the naughty bits. maybe you can tell how you like to do this and I'll share my thoughts on the subject with you. This could be fun!! Sam Reply Basically I am into tank tops (so to speak). Without a bra I am a pretty nice sight if I do say so myself. Also I have some blouses with 3/4 length sleves with a deep v in the arm. When I reach over to pick something up it is quite revealing. My hips are a little big so not much to do in that area but short skirts are back in so I may give them a try this summer. So what would you have in mind for me? Mary ==================================================================== -> From: Steve -> To: Mary Sure would be nice if you and her were still in contact. Just think, what kind of fun you and her could enjoy now. I sure wouldn't mind if I had a lady who invited her girlfriend over to enjoy her sexually. Tell me, what do you and another girl like to do together. How do you feel about licking a girl's pussy? Do you enjoy group sex? I know I've enjoyed 3-somes with 2 girls or a girl and a guy. It's fun to have 2 people making love with you. And fun to make love to a girl with another person. Have you enjoyed 2 guys before? Or a girl and a guy at the same time? Wow, look at all those question Bills on this letter. Oh well... Didn't you and this girl kiss together? I love seeing girls kiss, especially deep tongue kissing. Have you been talking with any other bi girls on this bbs? You know what I'd really like... to find a single girl (so maybe I could marry her) who's bi and wants a guy who likes that, so she could still make love to her girlfriend(s) now and then, especially if she enjoys me seeing her naked with a girl and enjoying another female. Ummmmmmm. I enjoy being nude, how about you? Wish more women were open to girl-girl loving. Steve -> From: Steve -> To: Mary Say Mary... tell me what you think. Check my questionaire, and give me your reactions. Would you suggest any changes that could attract a women, (i.e. are there any answers I chose that might turn a woman off?). Reply Licking another woman's pussy is probably the more important part of woman to woman sex. I haven't done it much but I do like it. I like to give her pleasure and when she comes it brings me very close too. I have never done it with two other people. Its kind of interesting to think about but I am not sure I would want to do it. Kissing another woman is great, I have probably done more of that than anything. Yes, I love to be nude. I have met quite a few bi women on this BBS. You sure were full of questions but thats okay. You come on pretty strong, have you ever made it with anyone you have met on a BBS? -> From: Steve -> To: Mary Sorry, if I came on preety strong, as you said. Yes, I have mad it with a girl I met on a BBS. I think it's great that you do like licking another woman's pussy. Get's me hot thinking about it. I think I love licking a woman's pussy even more than fucking. Hard to believe? Well, I really enjoy it. Ummmm, I'm glad you love to be nude. So, you have met quite a few bi women from here. Any luck, making out with them? (if you don't mind me asking). I still want to have a bi girl for my own. I'd love to have her know she can enjoy her bisexuality with my support. Don't you wish your mate understood that, and then you could make love with a women at home, knowing he loves you for it? Ummmmm. Mary, I'm not that forward in person, just when I write to you, I'm in a horny mood, and you know I can write with an imagination. Plus, I'm turned on to your bi sexual desires. You know, if you helped me find a bi girlfriend, you know I'd love for you to be lovers with her, and make love to her when you and she need it together. Would love for you and her to be sitting around naked, and enjoying each other's company. I'd love to share her with you. Keep me in mind, in case you meet a nice bi girl who would love to have a guy like me. Write soon, Steve Reply No problem with you coming on strong, just that I will be keeping my distance, I am sure you understand. Yes I can believe you like licking a woman as much as fucking her, it feels good to give pleasure. I have met some bi women here, about 2 or 3 but I don't want to start a physical relation with anyone else. My husband is enough for me, I will leave the rest to fantasy. There is a lot more to life that sex, but then I don't have to tell you that. In fact sometimes I think the best part of sex is thinking about it, sort of like the worst part of going to the dentist. Hows that for a comparison? -> From: Steve -> To: Mary Well, so you wouldn't have a physical relationship with a girl? You said you met 2 or 3.... Does your hubby know you like girls too? Should you talk with or meet a girl who's bi and open to meeting a nice guy, feel free to tell her about me, and/or let me know her address code, and perhaps we can have a 3-way conversation. Steve p.s. I also like watching a lady play with herself... I assume you enjoy that, how about telling me some of your fantasies. Reply No, my husband doesn't know about my thoughts of other women, he would be quite upset if he did. That is at least part of the reason why I don't want to get involved. Yes, I do enjoy doing my self some times. Seems like a stronger orgasm that way. As for fantasies I like to think about hearing other people make love..... ======================================================================== -> From: Joe -> To: Mary Yes, I was invited out to there home in Pittsburg and we continued our little sessions there. Elise loved to be fucked and have her toes sucked at the same time. No John wasn't gay he was bi-sexual and loved to suck me off while Elise watched and commanded him to do things. they were in to slave-master routine and she loved to control us both.mostly John. I watched as she made him obey different commands. He did not like to she Elise being fucked another man so she made him watch. It was great.... Reply I guess I am not really into the slave/master stuff. I like to be a loved equal but as they say, whatever turns you on. When did John get off, sounds like it was just you and Elise? I don't think I would like my husband watching if I was making it with another guy. That doesn't quite correlate with my willingness to be watched in general. I am a bit of an exhibitionist but some things just don't feel good. -> From: Joe -> To: Mary Elise loved to make John perform for her she ordered him to suck me off and she would try ti humiliate him. As I was screwing her she would say to him " Joe is so big and good he's so musch better than you" The more she did this thee more John wanted her. After hours of tormenting John would be so excited that he would literallyy rape her and as he banged away she'd have terrific orgasms. She love to make him suck me off. Reply That really sounds wild, she sure was in charge. Do you like to have another guy suck you off, are you bi? I find that it is tenderness and oral sex that makes me come the most. It would be interesting to watch someone else and I have heard other people doing it which does turn me on. Actually I think the sound of sex, mine or others is very exciting. Mary -> From: Joe -> To: Mary I'm not really bi but in a situation like a threesome I don't mind having a guy suck me off. I have never been one on one but like I said I had had threesomes with the guy sucking me off. Yes I like to watch other people having sex and at the same time having sez as well. that is why group sex is so great. I love oral sex both in giving and recieving. Do you like giving head or getting eaten? Reply Oral sex? I like it all although I would rather have the guy come in my vagina than in my mouth. I know the guys don't always agree including my husband so some times when he has given me multiple orgasms by eating me I will return the favor and do him all the way with my mouth. I think most women would agree that the best part of sex is having the man inside, you just cant get any closer. Have you ever made it with anyone you met on a BBS? -> From: Joe -> To: Mary Yes, I agree cumming insde of a hot vagina is by far the best. Yes I have made it with two people from BBS'.The first was a girl from the BBS in Sunnyvale. After a few notes on the BBS/ I left my phone number and she called,(This was while I was seprated from my wife). We met at the Hyatt on First street. She was a bit overwieght but I was expecting that. She was living with someone else and we had to meet away from her place. We had a few drinks and proceeded to get acqauinted. When I walked her to her car and started to kiss her good night she good hot and excited. I began rubbing her tits and before long was fingering her in the parking lot. She came and she had to get back home so we agreed to meet later in the week.....Would you like to hear the rest ??? Reply Sounds interesting. Yes I would like to hear more. Mary -> From: Joe -> To: Mary There were other times that I got together with couples and it always was great. I met a couple one night at a local pub. They were a bit older than the average couples and as the night wore on Jack had a few to many and Martha knew it. Finally araound midnight she asked if I could drive them home. I did and we carried Jack up the stairs. It didn't take long for Martha to come on. She went into the bedroom and as Jack lay passed out on the couch she came back into the room in only her panties . I got the message and we layed on the floor next to Jack. I sucked her nipples and fingered her getting her hot. Then pulling her panties off I undressed and raising her legs unto my shoulders I shoved my cock into her,"It's been so long" she moaned as I buried my hard cock up to the hilt and begin banging away. It continued for quite sometime. Finally we both came and when it was over and we were laying naked next to Jack I asked her why she fucked by her husband she said it excited her to cheat right next to him. Reply That was rather strange. Was it really cheating? Sounds like he would have been part of it if he wasn't out. On the other hand what if he had woke up? I find your stories great, don't stop. Mary ==================================================================== -> From: Bill -> To: Mary Mary: I had another thing I was curious about, but if it is too personal, then you don't have to answer it. I saw that you mentioned that you have had a homosexual experience. I'd be willing to bet, based upon the large number of women on this system who categorize themselves as being "bi" that many more heterosexual women have experienced some interactions with another woman, than heterosexual men have with another man. Would you agree? If so, have you any ideas as to why this might be? In your case, how did it come about, and what thoughts went through your mind? -Bill Reply I really cant comment on your ideas but I can tell you about my first time. The first time I did it with another woman was in college. It was with my roommate. We were both sexually active with guys and both hit an emotional low at the same time. Along with our natural curiosity it just seemed like a way to comfort each other. It was one of those cold winter nights (well it doesn't get all that cold in Berkeley but it seemed that way). We went to bed together and held each other close. All we really did was finger each other to orgasm but it was awful nice at the time. Considering the guys I had done it with it was really one of the best orgasms I had had. It makes me feel kind of warm to look back on it. I haven't seen her in years, its a shame to loose close friends like that. ======================================================================= -> From: Cindy -> To: Mary That's interesting, my first experience was with my first college roommate too. I went to school at the University of Florida. It gets extremely hot there at night (no change from the days) and it was common for me, my roommate, and some of the other girls on the floor to run around in just our panties. Before coed dorms.... Anyway, one night we had been sitting around getting high before going to bed and were just absolutely fried when we hit the pillows. I was just laying there drifting, feeling horny, when I heard this kind of wet, slurpy sound that sounded familiar. I looked over in the moonlight and Joanne was playing with herself. I surprised my self with a tingle that started in my clit & spread... I was both slightly shocked and relieved when she whispered well, what are you waiting for? Needing no further urging, I followed suit and we both came quickly. She came over to my bed, kissed me, and then proceeded to work me over from head to toe. I came so many times I got incoherent and have loved doing it with ladies ever since. The next day Joanne explained that she'd been horny for me since the first day of school & she just couldn't resist. So, we got together frequently for the next 4 years for some real wild times, but those are other stories... Cindy Reply Sounds like you had some great times with Joanne. I really love it when the other person comes (man or woman) its such a turn-on for me. My roommate and I use to masturbate and watch each other come but it is a lot more fun to do it to the other person. And I do love multiple orgasms for me which I have only done when a guy eats me. Somehow the few times I have done it with other women we each only came once. How long have you been out of school? For me its been a long time and I have had only a few experiences with women since then. Being happily married and sexually satisfied helps but I do think of the "good old days" sometimes. Fortunately my husband is a good lover so sex is nearly always satisfying. Even so I do it to myself sometimes. I really enjoy your messages. Mary -> From: Cindy -> To: Mary I agree, it's a real turn on to watch another person come. That's one of the things I like best about sucking a man's cock. Sometimes I like to deep throat it and swallow his cum, but most of the time I like to pull my head back just at the right time and watch the jizz explode from his cock. There have been times when just seeing that has made me come myself. Once, I made love to a guy who hadn't had any in six months (or so he said) and you could actually hear him squirt. I thought I was going to drown... At the moment, my sex life is rather limited. I'm between men (and probably will be for a while, I'm burned out on the single scene.) and I have a couple of girl friends that I get together with occasionally for a little idle recreation. So, I have my hands, shower massage, and latex toys for company and we all get along quite well. I'm glad you're happy with your husband in bed, most of my married girlfriends aren't. They say that they've seemed to lose interest over the years. You said that you & your husband have done some interesting (I think that was the word) things over time. Being the voyeur that I am, like what? Anyway, keep in touch. I like "talking" to you too. Cindy Reply I don't know about six months, seems like a long time to go without sex. But I do know that if I haven't had it for a few days it seems to be easier to have an orgasm. As for loosing interest over the years, I will have to admit we don't do it as often, probably about twice a week but since it is good, I have no complaints. Lets see...interesting things, well I guess we haven't really done aything all that unusual. Different places in the house, I like in front of the fire the best but that isn't unusual at all. We once did it on the bathroom vanity. I had just taken a shower and he came in naked, backed me up to the vanity and started necking. After a bit of petting I was pretty wet and he sat me on the vanity and put his lovely cock inside me. He was standing and I was sitting. I really didn't think I could come that way but surprise, it was great. About being a voyeur, me too. I like to hear the sounds others make when they are doing it. I have never seen but I have heard. How about you, have you ever seen or heard others having sex? Mary ===================================================================== -> From: Ronda -> To: Mary Hi Mary, Sorry it took me a while to get back in touch with you. No I don't mind talking about my swinging. My husband and I got started several years back after we both realized that we had a very strong relationship but found that we still were physically attracted to other people. We love each other very much and keep our relationship very honest. We tell each other what is going on and don't sneak around behind each other's back. As far as the friends that we swing with, they are all good friends but I haven't meet anyone who would want me to leave my husband. We are both extremely selective since you can't tell where someone has been nowadays. It never just a quick pickup and most the time my husband does most of the introducing. There is something that I like very much but you might think that I am crazy for liking this but I find it an incredible turn-on to make love to my husband after he has made love to another woman. I like to see him satisfied and then see if I can completely wipe him out. I find it very arrousing to smell and taste another woman on his body. This may have something to do with the fact that I am bisexual and I have smelled and tasted other women before I ever made love with them. I also get very turned on by hearing my husbands stories of what the other women did. So much for me, tell me about your daydreams. Do you have a current lover. What turns you on AND what turns you off? take care, Ronda Reply No, I don't think you are crazy. In fact I find it rather interesting that you like to smell other women on your husband. I suppose it is the opposite of smelling some strange perfume and wondering what your husband has been up to. This way you know and approve. Do you watch him making it with another woman and does he see you doing it with the other guy? Whats it like making it with more than one guy in an evening, do you have an orgasm with both of them? I would really be interested in hearing more of the details if you don't mind sharing. As for me, I am happily married with a pretty darn good sex life but I do think about doing it with other women. I have had some experiences in the past, not a lot, but enough to give me some good memories. Even with my good sex life my daydreams about other women get me in the mood to masturbate so I do that sometimes. Do you ever find the need to do yourself? I guess my biggest turn on is oral sex, I can and do have multiple orgasms when a guy eats me. I have had anal sex a few times but I really have to be hot to be willing to do it. As for turn offs, any kind of rough or sadistic activity really makes me mad. I like to be treated like a wanted and loved person. Mary -> From: Ronda -> To: Mary I am glad that you don't think I am crazy. As for us watching each other we have both watched each other do it with other people. I have made love to my husband and another man at the same time. Sometimes one inside me while I suck the other one and sometimes with one in my pussy and the other in my butt. I am amazed that you like anal sex. Sometimes I thought I might be the only woman that likes it. I love the feel of two men squirting into me. You must try it sometime. I have also made it with a girlfriend in front of a group of men and women. Not a lot of people just six or seven of our friends. I love to do it with a double-headed dildo with a friend of mine. As for having multiple orgasms, yes, I have them most of the time but not always. I also like to wear very sexy and feminine clothes Several years back I got into stockings and garter belts which I wear quite often. I also masturbate quite a bit when I am alone. Can you tell me more about your fantasies? Have you ever made love to another man than your husband? Or just considered it? Do you fell like telling me about your experiences with other women? Ronda Reply I guess my experiences are quite limited compared to yours. I have only done it with other women a few times and never been involved with a threesome. I can see where two men inside you at the same time would be good. Its such a wonderful feeling when a man is inside me and when I am turned on enough for anal sex I am so wild that I would love to have two of them. Its not exactly clear to me how you do that physically but if there is a will there is a way. As for anal sex I have only done a very few times, I really have to be in the right mood. My husband is a very considerate lover and not pushy (except in the right way) so it works out okay. I too like to wear sexy clothes, I particularly like going braless in the warm summer days so the guys look at me. This turns on my husband too and makes for some really good sex. I have never made love to a man other than my husband while I was married but I had quite a bit of experience between marriages, with a couple of women too. I guess many of my fantasies are doing it with other women which I think about when I masturbate. I would like to hear more about your ideas and experiences too. Mary ===================================================================== -> From: Carla -> To: Mary Sure, I'll talk to you about my life. In fact, Mistress often has me tell others of my life as her total slave. She thrives on humiliating me, and i'm always oh so much better for it. This week-end as a matter of fact, i spent a lot of time tied in one way or another on a semi- secluded section of beach at Pismo. It wasn't secluded enough for me , as i was spotted by at least 6 people, who were totally blown away when i admitted to them that i was in that predicament of my own free will, as Mistress offered them my exposed parts for their inspection. Mistress is always open to new ways to "torture" me also. That's a large part of why she has me on this system. Reply Wow! Torture, I hope it is something you are happy with. I think I know where Pismo Beach is. Do you live near there? I like to get a tan all over but I mostly do it in our back yard. What kind of people saw you there? Mary ========================================================================= -> From: Karen -> To: Mary Hi Mary, I hope everything turns out o'kay for this weekend. Making love by the fireplace is very romantic. Most of the men usually like to go down on me first before they start screwing. Occaisionally I run into the wham-bam-thank-you maam type, but I never let them do it again. I like to have him serve me for one night and then I recipercate the next night. I luv to give him a good blow job, usually bringing him close to an orgasm, but not quite, two or three times before I swallow his cum. Sometimes he'll get angry, but I quiet him down and start from the beginning. Talk to you later. Karen Response... Well doing it by the fireplace worked out real well. It wasn't the greatest fire place, gas and one real log, but the sex was the best we have had for a long time. He really did a fine job of eating me, I came twice and they were good. Then when he was in me I came again which is unusual for me. You know, water beds are nice for the comfort but the hard floor is better for a man to really get into you and fill you up. For some reason my husband doesn't seem to like me to blow him. Maybe I am not doing it right but the few times I did it with guys before seemed to be okay. Perhaps I am too rough for him or else he thinks there is something wrong with doing it. Sounds like you have pretty good control of your sex life. Do you find guys willing to do things your way? -> From: Karen -> To: Mary -> Sent: 16 hours ago. -> Re: Reply to letter, sent: 3 days ago. HI Mary, GLAD TO HEAR YOUR TRIP WENT WELL. I'VE HAD TROUBLE WITH BLOWJOBS TOO, THAT IS, UNTIL MY GOOD FRIEND LORI TAUGHT ME. APPARENTLY THE TRICK IS TO RELAX YOUR THROAT AND JAWS. THE MORE RELAXED YOU ARE, THE WIDER YOUR MOUTH WILL OPEN. THE FIRST TIME I DID IT TO A GUY, I REMEMBER HIM SCREAMING BECAUSE MY TEETH HAD RAKED HIS COCK. WHAT I DID WAS LEARN TO USE MY LIPS TO COVER MY TEETH AND DEEP THROAT COCKS DOWN MY THROAT. IT REALLY TURNS A GUY ON IF YOU CAN GET HIS COCK ALL THE WAY DOWN, WHILE LICKING HIS BALLS AT THE SAME TIME. YOU MIGHT WANT TO PRACTICE ON A DILDO OR CUCUMBER FIRST. IF YOU DON'T GET USED TO THAT FEELING, YOU MIGHT BARF UP! I'VE LEARNED HOW TO GET AHOLD OF MY LIFE WITH GUYS EARLY ON, OTHERWISE THEY WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU REAL FAST. IF I WANT THEM TO LICK OR EAT ME, I TELL THEM. I'M NOT BEING SELFISH OR EGOTISTICAL, BECAUSE IF THEY WANT ME TO EAT THEM OR SWALLOW, I'LL DO IT. THE GUYS I ESPECIALLY LIKE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CONSIDERATE OF ME. I'LL DO EVERYTHING AND HOPEFULLY MORE TO TREAT THEM LIKEWISE. IF THEY TREAT ME LIKE A LADY, I'LL TREAT THEM LIKE A MAN. HOPE YOUR RELATIONSHIP LASTS A LONG TIME FOR YOU. Reply Thanks for the tips. Its kind of funny that after all these years I am still learning about sex. I don't think I have swallowed a man's come more than once or twice, can't say it was one of the most fun things. Do you enjoy it or just do it as an "exchange"? As for considerate guys, those are the only ones I want to have anything to do with. And I mean mostly on a personal level since that is really the largest part of a relationship. I will have to admit my husband isn't the most considerate when it comes to sex but the rest of the time is fine so I put up with the sex part. Maybe if I could learn to give him oral sex better it would help. I am really going to try your suggested practice. I have actually used a cucumber on myself but never thought of it as a "practice" tool. -> From: Karen -> To: Mary -> Sent: 4 days ago. -> Re: Reply to letter, sent: 6 days ago. Hi Mary, you know, you don't have to stop with the cucumber. I have this huge 12" dildo I love to suck. Keep in mind that the most important thing is to relax the jaw muscles, to open as wide as possible. As far as the cum is concerned, it's sort of like coffee: You have to develop a taste for it. After a while you just can't get by without it!!! Let me know how the cucumber fit! Reply Sure is a funny way to eat a cucumber. Since the cucumber won't tell me how it feels I don't know if I did any good or not. I did push it way in though and I can see where a little practice would make it easier to take it in deeper. I have swallowed cum once, it wasn't too bad, that isn't the problem, its doing it so he really likes it. My period is coming soon and I seem to be more sexy because of it. Maybe I will get a chance to put practice into action. Have you ever done it while you had your period? -> From: Karen -> To: Mary -> Sent: 30 hours ago. Hi Mary, this is actually Karen, but I lost my password when my girlfriend was messing around with it. Hope everything is going good with your husband and all. I met this really nice guy Sunday at Washington Park in Sunnyvale. His name is Ben and he is about 6'4". I never been out with a black man before, but he is a real gentleman, not to mention a real stud!!! Gotta go, talk to you soon, Karen Reply A black man, that could be interesting. I would love to hear all the details. Is your girlfriend that was "messing with your password" also on this system? They say you should use a different password on each system. God I am sexy today, hoping for some good sex this weekend. -> From: Karen -> To: Mary -> Sent: 34 hours ago. -> Re: Reply to letter, sent: 5 days ago. I guess I was a fool to let my girlfriend use my account, as she even changed some of my answers on my questionnaire, but she paid for it. I tied her up spread-eagled in bed while she was sleeping, so she ended up that way all weekend. Actually I was a little nice, tickling her toes and licking her thighs until she started cuming, but such is life, right? Anyway, this black guy really turned out to be quite a gentleman, as he treated me like a lady in public, but once he was in the bedroom that was something else. For starters, his cock is over 11" long and at least 3" in diameter. I have never, ever seen anything like it before. Trying to get it down my throat took more than 30 minutes, but I did. Having that thing pumped in my pussy was an experice! The most surprising thing happened when he came in my mouth. I thought he would never stop. At least two loads I swallowed, and he still had some to put on my face, neck and tits! The best part was when he "forced" me to clean his tool up with my tongue, god it was fun! Anyway, it seems that you and your husband are getting along better since your Monterey trip. Tell me about your weekend, hope it was nice. Reply So you are into bondage, I have never done it, not sure I would like it. Did she actually cum with just her thighs being tickled? Glad you enjoyed the black guy, I find some are sexy looking but most turn me off. I would love to have my vagina filled like that. As for our weekend, it was great. We stayed in a bed-and-breakfast place and made loud love at about 5AM. I am sure some of the other guests must have heard us, I can really get noisy when I cum, particularly if it is more than once. It was three times, wow! You never told me if you find you are more sexy when you have your period, it sure is my hottest time. Mary