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- GRYZOR SPEAKS OUT!
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- This Is Dalamar writing. I just came home from work, when SKIZE called
- me up, first BBS, then Voice. We chatted for some mins, when TANGO/DPL
- called up the BBS.
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- I got into chat and told him to gimme a voice call, so we could discuss
- our latest dreamchart Projects. Said and done. We had a little tele-
- conference, Skize, me and tango.
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- Eventually Gryzor and the Hd-formaters came up to discussion. Tango wasn't
- convinced that Gryzor had done it. We decided to call upp gryzor and
- let him defend himself. Said and done. We now had a multi-voice-chat
- between Dalamar-tango-skize and gryzor.
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- As soon as he got online I asked: Did you, or did you not create the
- Hd formaters? This took him by surpise. Tango giggled "that sure was
- straightforward".
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- "well, I could say It was me and I could say It wasn't. Does really anyone
- care what I say?", Gryzor replied.
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- Since he talked about no evidence against him, I presented him with some:
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- The files where first uploaded at interchange BBS. This on HIS account,
- BORRE. (that was his handle before he changed It to GRYZOR). All
- according to the callerslog on the same BBS.
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- "I have no account there", he said. Then he recalled having one, but it
- was 3 years old, and had his old Handle. It wasn't active. He hadn't called
- in years.
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- He claimed someone else had used his account to upload the files, and to
- put the blaim on him. I asked Who had access to his accounts and/or his
- passwords. He didn't have a clue. He hadn't given it to anybody, but said
- it was an easy thing to get Interchanges User.data, decrypt it, get his PW
- and use it. He said interchanges user.data had been in Zonderkommandos HQ
- for years now. (they hacked it)
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- Oki, i said, that's a possibility, even though it doesn't sound very
- likely to me that this is what had happened.
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- The second possibility was that someone had logged in with his handle,
- with the intention of uploading the files and put the blaim on Gryzor
- (Borre). Sure, that seems more possible, I said. But the only way to
- see if this is true, is if the sysop at interchange kindy could check up
- WHEN this Borre account was set up (the answers-file).
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- Tango said that this actually wasn't Borres style. Sure, he does a lot
- of hacking, but has no wish to fuck up EVERYBODY's Hd's, but he instead
- concentrates on a special person (Macroman) or a special BBS. Not on the
- whole scene.
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- Gryzor agreed and said that IF he would do something like those
- Hd-fuckuppers, he would go straight for the RDB and destroy the Hd.
- He woulnd't just write files over with a little text. Those files can
- be restored he said, depending on what method the trasher uses when writing
- the files over. There was a little technical discussion about this and
- about how to decrypt /X passwords the easiest way, with gryzor claiming
- it was a simple thing to do, and tango proving him wrong. anyhow..
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- I agreed that all those were possibilities that could free Gryzor, but
- I had one important piece of evidence that still pointed towards him:
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- "the one that used the BORRE account at interchange", I said "edited the
- sentby-line, so that it wouldn't show that the upload was made by BORRE"
- "now could you explain, why somebody that supposedly has hacked your
- account, to upload Hd'trashers in your name, would try to HIDE the fact
- that the files were uploaded in your name???? " "He should have done
- everything possible so that people would se that YOU uploaded the stuff.
- By removing the sentby-line we could only know it was you by checking
- the callerslog. Not an easy thing to do. WHY would someone trying to
- put the blame on you, actually instead try to hide the fact that the
- upload was made on your account?"
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- He couldn't anwer that one. He said something about that "It would seem
- more realistic then." Tango said that it could be a friend of borre, but
- borre(gryzor) didn't have a clue of anyone.
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- Well, at first it sounded convincing. There was no clear evidence pointing
- at Gryzor. Someone could have faked his handle, this can be checked in
- the answersfile at Interchange, as I said before.
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- A while I was convinced that he was innocent. But the answer on the
- sentby-line wasn't satisfactory. That little incident points, in my
- opinion, against Gryzor. But then I could be wrong. He MIGHT be innocent,
- someone just using his reputation to put the blaim on him. As always, it's
- up to you, to everyone in this scene, to make up their minds and draw their
- OWN conclusions.
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- I've tried, after best ability and memory to document our little chat.
- I beg Tango & Gryzor for apologies if I missed out anything important.
- I hardly think so. I wrote this file as soon as we hung Up. Skize was,
- as always, a very good listener, and prefered to stay in the background
- and jumping in to say his point on some technical matters.
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- P.S About all those .txt's released in this mess. Gryzor says he only
- written 2 of them. Lastreply.txt was one of them. the files where
- he "admitted" that he wrote the formater are fakes. I think he said
- gryrep.txt was the other one he wrote, but I'm not 100% sure about
- that one.
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- And about me beeing a "snotty kid" (snor-unge), I would like to point
- out that I Still am 3 years older than you Gryzor. You are 20, I'm 23.
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- About me having no clue about the amiga-scene, I would like to object
- and claim that I keep myself updated EVERY day on what's going on, and
- have done so a LONG time. Who do you think writes the NEWS and ARTICLES
- section in Dreamcharts..
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- And a funny little note that someone pointed out, (no names ;)
- This guys voice, gryzors, Shifted all the time from high-pitched, screamy
- tones, to low bari-tones. Like listening to a 17-year old. Quite Cool (;
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- 03:10 29-march-95 - Dalamar/LeD Zzz..going to Sleep
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