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- From: bleau@umdsp.umd.edu
- Newsgroups: vmsnet.internals
- Subject: Writing UNIX filesystem from VMS
- Message-ID: <18160@umd5.umd.edu>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 18:09:20 GMT
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- Reply-To: bleau@umdsp.umd.edu
- Organization: University of Maryland Physics Dept.
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- Hi, netters. I may be about to cross the line between the two worlds and
- become an outcast of both, but perhaps there are some on each end that can
- assist me.
-
- I am a manager/programmer at a VMS site. We have a VAXstation 3100-76 running
- VMS 5.4-x, soon to be V5.5-1, and have Fortran and C available. We have as
- a requirement distributing data to other systems on megneto-optical media
- (rewritable optical disks, the 600MB ISO variety). This works well for most
- sites, since they also run VMS. There are, however, several sites which run
- some variant of UNIX, and we'd like to keep the same media in sending data to
- them. The problem is, they can't read VMS ODS-2 file format, and I don't know
- how to write a UNIX file system.
-
- Yet.
-
- That's where you can help. If we're to write something that can be mounted and
- read by a UNIX system, I need some specialized software at this end. I need to
- find out the specification for a UNIX file system, and then construct a program
- that will do it all for me. It then occurred to me that this may have already
- been done.
-
- So, VMSers, have any of you heard of this having been done, and can you give me
- pointers? If it has not, could it be done be mounting the optical disk
- /foreign and addressing it in a block oriented fashion? Would the drive which
- reads it get the blocks in the same sequence I wrote them, or would the MSCP
- info on the disk cause some problems? Has anyone tried this, and what problems
- have you encountered along the way? An ACP would be the best solution here.
- If you know of a third party that sells a low-cost package that'll do this,
- please mention it, too.
-
- And UNIXers, you, too, can help. Do you know where I can get info on a UNIX
- file system? A specification is best. Is there perhaps a set of code
- somewhere - written in C, of courses - that actually writes a UNIX file system,
- code that I could port to VMS, strip out the low level writes and replace them
- with appropriate VMS writes and i/o requests, and have 90% of what I need
- already working? Either nonlicensed or free code is best, plase.
-
- Thirdly, in case the first two alternates are impossible or unworkable, is
- there possibly some intermediate format which would be easy to implement and
- write at the VMS end, and be easy to read at the UNIX end? This format could
- be restrictive in the follwoing ways: not allow any updates of files or
- directories, is to be written completely only once at the VMS end, is to be
- read only at the UNIX end, allow only one level in a directory hierarchy (flat
- file system), assume files are contiguous, have no record separators (basicly
- UNIX stream format or VMS fixed-512 format), and any other simplifying
- assumptions. This may be the easiest to implement at both ends and would get
- the job done, at the risk of producing something *quite* nonstandard.
-
- We've considered other solutions, and none of them get a very good reception:
- 1) writing to 8mm tape - easily written and read, but strong project
- requirement toward using the same media for all, so this is a last choice
- 2) FTPing the files - hard to automate with UCX's FTP, and would require
- loading down the net on a daily basis with hefty amounts of data (multi-MB),
- something I think network managers would frown on, not to mention being
- impolite ;-)
- 3) concatenate files into a single file are COPY it to a /FOREIGN mounted disk,
- so it starts at block 0 and keeps going - already tried and proves too hard
- for both ends to use, mainly because there is no demarcation between data
- sets
- 4) borrow someone else's system which runs UNIX, NFS mount the optical disk
- from it on the VMS system, and use the NFS and remote UNIX systems to
- perform the conversion by just COPYing the files - would pose too large a
- burden on someone else (translate: probably couldn't get anyone to agree),
- since this would be every couple of days on a regular basis
-
- I'd normally say email the answers to me at bleau@umdsp.umd.edu, but this
- sounds like a topic where interaction during the answer phase would be most
- productive. Post your replies to vmsnet.misc and we can start the thread
- there, rather than posting to four (or more) news groups. I'll looko there in
- the next week or so. If you have specific questions, you can either post them
- or email to me directly at the above address. If you email it, I'll post your
- question with my reply to aid the brainstorming. Thanks for the help, all.
-
- Larry Bleau
- University of Maryland
- bleau@umdsp.umd.edu
- 301-405-6223
-