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- From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
- Subject: Re: Convincing the management
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- Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
- References: <1993Jan19.122854.22863@jyu.fi> <1993Jan22.175833.5348@netcom.com>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:41:38 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.175833.5348@netcom.com>, steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas)
- writes:
-
- |>In article <1993Jan19.122854.22863@jyu.fi> HOUGHTON@jylk.jyu.fi (DAVID
- |>HOUGHTON, LK) writes:
- |
- |>> c) SUNs are not the way to go
- |>
- |>Well, there's DEC, IBM, HP, and Silicon Graphics/MIPS versus Sun. Sun is
- |>out in left field, as far as standards go. Sun is behind the curve in
- |>the technology department--their processor architecture is getting old. IBM
- |>and HP look like their going to play tag with DEC's benchmarks, but I don't
- |>see Sun anywhere in sight. Sun's got a lot of market share right now--but
- |>I look for it to erode, becuase they really have nothing going for them
- |>EXCEPT that market share...
-
- Its the old bandwaggon argument. Suns bandwaggon is one that is starting to slow
- down. If you asked what to buy a year or tow years ago I would have said Sun.
- Today they not only haven't got the beef they seem to have been taken over by
- the type of suits that made DEC a bad buy in the mid eighties.
-
- Unless Sun can deliver a new SPARC architecture Intel are going to eat their
- market share for lunch. The high end of the PC market is competitive with the
- SPARC and will get more so with the Pentium. Windows NT will give them a far
- better operating system and there will be all that old MSDOS software avaliable
- still.
-
-
- |>> d) OpenVMS is better than OSF
- |>
- |>Well, this is going to be difficult. I say this knowing both operating
- |>systems very well (especially VMS). VMS, by standards of quality, is way
- |>better than OSF. VMS does what it does really well--without a hitch in
- |>mission-critical environments. VMS also tends to be overkill for simple
- |>workstation environments. Software is more expensive (although it tends to
- |>be of higher quality) under VMS--and there's less public domain stuff out
- |>there for it.
-
- Not really relevant, every significant package is avaliable for VMS. Even on
- alpha the vast majority of the GAWKs, XVs, XRNs and other freebies are already
- there. The only significant missing piece at the mo is GNU C and thats just a
- minor linker problem, since most VMS alphas are shiping with field test DEC C
- its not surprising that nobody has got round to doing a port yet.
-
- |> Personally, I think VMS is great, and I use many of its
- |>advanced features. For the uninitiated, though, VMS is a hard sell. If you
- |>have a shop with lots of VMS in it, then I think you'll find that you can
- |>sell VMS (because the expectation of quality is very high--and only VMS can
- |>deliver it).
-
- My experience is that VMS sells itself with the users. The real selling point
- though is the ease of system management. It is possible to manage a very large
- VAX system with almost no system management beyond adding and twiddling with
- user quotas. The system managers can operate at the level of improving the
- system and helping the users rather than struggling to keep the system going at
- any level at all.
-
- |> OSF, quite simply, breaks a lot (compared to VMS). I've talked
- |>to lots of people that had never known VMS deny this up and down and tell me
- |>that they have no problems with thier operating environment--it's all about
- |>what you're used to. I once talked to a developer from Microsoft. I
- |>mentioned
- |>to him the their "Quick-C" development package just plain didn't work. He
- |>quickly retorted: "But I ONLY need to reboot about once an HOUR!". Different
- |>planet... (My VAXStation needed to be rebooted a MONTH ago--hit the power
- |>switch by accident...).
-
- We have had VAXes run for months and even years without problems in a real time
- environment. If you don't give users privs then VMS crashes are extreemly rare.
- I have never used a UNIX system of which the same could be said.
-
- Also VMS gives a better upgrade path to Windows NT which will clobber UNIX.
-
-
- --
-
- Phill Hallam-Baker
-