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- From: chuckies@cs.mcgill.ca (Charles J Savoie)
- Newsgroups: talk.rape,soc.men
- Subject: Re: Drunk Sex = Rape?
- Message-ID: <C1BpFC.A35@cs.mcgill.ca>
- Date: 23 Jan 93 20:11:35 GMT
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- In article <16B5EA76A.ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU> ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU writes:
-
- >I don't think that anyone will argue that if a woman is falling-down-drunk
- >or semiconscious she is still capable of giving consent.
-
- I would. If she drank willingly, and gave clear consent, I would. Just like
- she would be responsible for choosing to get into a car and drive.
-
- >HOWEVER, the question
- >is, what about the one who has had perhaps one G&T more than is strictly
- >advisable?
-
- Same as the man.
-
- [...]
-
- >In the
- >abovedescribed state she goes to bed with someone. The next morning she
- >wakes up, hung over, looks over to the other side of the bed, and says:
- >"WHAT was I thinking of last night?"
-
- Tough. As someone else mentioned, one is still responsible for their
- actions while intoxicated, if the intoxication was willing.
-
- >The man MAY be morally culpable for taking advantage of her state;
-
- Perhaps he was drunk. Does this still apply to women?
-
- >is he,
- >however LEGALLY guilty of rape? That would put him in the same catagory as
- >someone who jumped the woman as she walked home, dragged her into the bushes,
- >and. . . .To put the two in the same class would, I think, be unjust; however,
- >I am uncomfortable with letting the first man totally off the hook, because,
- >after all, he probably was on some level aware that when the woman said 'yes'
- >it was at least partly the gin talking. Is there some lesser charge, perhaps
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ so what??
- >even a misdemenour (sp?), he could be had up on?
-
- Do you think he should be LEGALLY guilty of anything? Why should he be
- punished, what did he do wrong? If he was drunk himself, why is he more
- guilty than she?
-
- If a woman has a bad day, and consents to sex as a result (perhaps to relieve
- tension), would you be uncomfortable with "letting the man off the hook"
- given that it was at least partly her frustration talking?
-
- Amy, here is my example of someone who believes sleeping with a drunk
- woman is grounds for being thrown in jail and getting a criminal record
- (a misdemeanor is sufficient for this, is it not?).
-
- Bloody scary, these people who think a reason must be found to put men
- in jail and label them criminals at all costs.
-
- No bloody wonder the US has the highest per capita prison population in the
- world.
-
- Charles
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