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- From: robd@cherry09.cray.com (Robert Derrick)
- Subject: Re: Topic for Discussion?
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 11:06:35 CST
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- cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:
- : Dr.Pepper@f241.n103.z1.fidonet.org wrote:
-
- [The Pepper Challange deleted]
-
- : Dammit will you *read* what Johnson is saying!
- :
- : Mr Johnson is NOT a creationist. He is NOT proposing creationism as a
- : scientific theory. He has NOTHING to do with creationism.
- :
- : How can you discuss anything if you don't even read what your opposition
- : is saying!
-
- I would tend to agree that Johnson may not be the most appropriate target
- for taking "the Pepper Challange", except for a couple of points:
-
- 1. It is more than a little difficult to discuss what Johnson
- is saying, because, despite his volume, he has hardly said anything.
- He has not taken a position, other than attacking "Darwinism",
- which he has not defined, but seems to be confined solely to the
- original theory as proposed by Charles Darwin. This is not
- a significant task, since much better people than Johnson have
- been doing the same thing for about a hundred years, with an
- intent to be constructive, rather than simply destructive, as
- Johnson's non-content indicates.
-
- 2. Johnson is a lawyer, and as one another person pointed out, what
- it appears that he is really doing is provoking response, without
- actually giving any information back. This is what lawyers do.
- But the purpose is not to enlighten. The purpose is to destroy
- our testimony by inducing responses that will throw our solid
- evidence into question. In essence, the same purpose as the
- usual TAE, but with the additional strong attribute of avoiding
- saying something so ludicrous as to repudiate everything they
- have said before. This is not something that has ever bothered
- Ray Cote or Lionel or TAE-x. Their pride is so high that they
- are impervious to their own ignorance. Johnson is not allowing
- himself to fall into that trap.
-
- 3. Many, many others have implied that Johnson's rhetoric is
- a TAE subtrefuge, and although he has never made such a public
- statement of personal belief (to my knowledge, and at least on
- T.O.), he could have eliminated the controversy at any time by
- simply telling us the facts. But as the media would so viperously
- say, Mr. Johnson neither confirms nor denies the allegations.
-
- Therefore, since he quacks like a duck, and does nothing to
- disabuse the vast majority of T.O.ers that are assuming he is
- a duck, I declare The Pepper Challange to be valid.
-
- As with a host of other TAE challenges of the past, the entire
- issue can be put to rest by the duck himself with less words than
- in the average signature. And like the past, we will hear the
- duck talk as soon as the pork is in the high branches.
-
- : Best wishes -- Chris Ho-Stuart
-
- Don't you think it is just a little ironic, Chris, that you
- are defending a lawyer, who refuses the chance to defend himself?
-
- --
-
- rob derrick robd@cherry.cray.com
-