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- From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Subject: Re: They want to debate Phillip Johnson
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.184349@IASTATE.EDU>
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- Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
- References: <qXiuXB1w165w@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us> <1993Jan24.134326@IASTATE.EDU> <C1DrDw.39y@world.std.com>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:43:49 GMT
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- In article <C1DrDw.39y@world.std.com>, pduggan@world.std.com (Paul C Duggan)
- writes:
- > In article <1993Jan24.134326@IASTATE.EDU> kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren
- Vonroeschlaub) writes:
- > >In article <qXiuXB1w165w@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us>,
- > >system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us (Kalki Dasa) writes:
- > >>The basis of Darwinism is materialism, i.e. the proposition that
- > >>there is nothing in existence except matter and material energy, and
- > >>nothing ever influences matter except other matter or material energy.
- > >
- > > False.
- > >[...]
- > > If you cannot devise a test for these things, then they might as well not
- > >exist. What difference does it make?
- >
- > A test that a scientist would use would be a test involving material energy
- > or matter, would it not?
-
- Would involve matter, yes. But Kalki says, and I quote, "nothing ever
- influences matter except other matter or material energy". So he is suggesting
- that these "other forces" can influence matter. That means that they can be
- tested for by experiments involving matter.
-
- > So how is that you describe the materialist
- > presupposition of Darwinism as "False"?
-
- No scientist I know of would deny objective experiments that show the
- existence of something other than "matter and material energy".
-
- > You seem to be saying the
- > exact same thing by your request for a material test.
-
- Not a "material test", a test that demonstrates the existence of these
- non-material forces in an objective way (any test that doesn't also apply to
- pink elephants).
-
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