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- Subject: Re: Yet Another Saturn Myth Variant
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.141525.1@si151a.llnl.gov>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 22:15:25 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.011901.26469@galois.mit.edu>
- tycchow@riesz.mit.edu (Timothy Y. Chow) writes...
-
- >Ted Holden writes:
-
- ><Basically, velikovsky is saying that chemicals entering
- ><out atmosphere from that of Venus formed, possibly in combination with
- ><elements of our own atmosphere, hydrocarbons which rained down on earth
- ><during the time of plagues mentioned in Exodus and, at a somewhat later
- ><time, some of these same chemicals, or others, or again some other combination
- ><of earth and venus atmospheric elements, which were in suspension in our
- ><clouds still, somehow or other formed into edible compounds (carbohydrates)
- ><and condensed out.
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- > In article <1993Jan20.181104.1@si151a.llnl.gov> brinkman@si151a.llnl.gov
- > writes:
-
- ><If there is "nothing magical" about converting hydrocarbons to carbohydrates,
- ><show me even a single example where this has been done in the modern world.
-
- > Where did you get the idea of "converting" hydrocarbons to carbohydrates?
- > Ted doesn't say this. All he says is that hydrocarbons and carbohydrates
- > both formed out of the combined atmospheres of Earth and Venus.
-
- You are correct, and I apologize. I assumed that people would read the
- paragraph immediately preceding this one, (which for reasons that escape
- me, you have failed to quote).
-
- "Nothing magical here? You are claiming that 'somehow or other'
- Venerian atmospheric constituents could at will form either
- hydrocarbons or carbohydrates. 'Somehow or other' the same thing
- couldn't happen on Mars. 'Somehow or other' the Veneran atmosphere
- would become completely devoid of any such compounds. This is
- impossible working under the laws of physics as we know them. Your
- 'Somehow or other' is nothing more than an appeal to the miraculous.
- In my book miracles can be lumped into the category of magic."
-
- I was working under the (apparently) mistaken assumption that people could
- extract context from this earlier paragraph. I assumed (mistakenly it appears)
- that this paragraph would make the context of the phrase "converting
- hydrocarbons to carbohydrates" clear. Thank you for pointing this out, so
- I had a chance to elucidate my position before being quoted out of context
- by Ted.
-
- > If you want to spend time refuting Ted, at least get his claims straight.
-
- Thanks for the advice, Tim. If someone hadn't taken the time to read the
- paragraph I reinserted above, I can understand how someone would feel that
- I had misunderstood Ted's claims. Now that I have reinserted the lead-in
- paragraph, it should be obvious to everyone that I had Ted's claim straight.
- Good advice, though. It would save a lot of bandwidth and useless niggling
- if everyone took the time to understand what was posted before jumping in and
- looking foolish.
-
- >Tim Chow tycchow@math.mit.edu
-
- --
- Matt Brinkman
- brinkman@edseq1.llnl.gov
-