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- From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Who is Christian - a simple answer
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 23:16:53 GMT
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- In article <1jpnkmINN272@dmsoproto.ida.org>, rlg@omni (Randy garrett) writes:
- |> :
- |> : So any person who accepts Christ's teachings _as a whole_ can be
- |> called a
- |> : Christian. So I, a free-thinker who does not believe in Christ's
- |> divinity,
- |> : who does not believe in Heaven or Hell, call myself a Christian, for
- |> I accept
- |> : the Golden Rule.
- |> X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
- |>
- |> But Christ taught that He was divine. How can you accept His teachings
- |> and not accept that? Or do you only accept some teachings and not
- |> others? In which case, how do you choose?
- |>
- |> It seems to me that C.S. Lewis's Lord, Liar,
- |> or Lunatic argument holds a lot of logical validity:
- |>
- |> If Jesus were not divine, then given His clear claims, He must have
- |> been the greatest Liar who ever lived as well as the greatest
- |> hypocrite since He condemned very strongly the smallest lies.
- |> So, I certainly wouldn't want to have anything to do with the
- |> teachings of someone like that.
-
- You appear to have neglected the possibility that he sincerely
- believed he was divine, but was mistaken. That makes him a
- person in error, not a liar. It also makes him no hypocrite,
- since preaching against lies says nothing about situations in
- which you may genuinely and sincerely be in error.
-
- |>
- |> Or,
- |>
- |> He was simply a Lunatic, on the order of someone who says they're
- |> Napolean, a poached egg or some other more creative object.
-
- Being in error on a single subject, even for fairly nutty - aka
- religious - reasons, does not make you a lunatic in general. If
- being wrong on theological matters makes you a lunatice, then there
- are an awful lot of lunatics walking around today, all busily debating
- their lunacy with one another.
-
- |> In this case, I certainly wouldn't put any credence in any of His
- |> teachings.
-
- That only shows how silly *you* are. If someone says we are to
- forgive our enemies, and also holds some nutty theological ideas,
- you're going to "put no credence" in forgiving your enemies?
-
- Pretty silly, if so. In reality, having nutty opinions on one
- subject, far from inavlidating everything else a person says, is
- a fairly common occurrence. I suspect we all have nutty ideas
- on some subject or other.
-
- |>
- |> Or
- |> We're in a heap of trouble if what He claimed was true ...
-
- You mean you can speak for him? Now who's the nut?
-
- jon.
-