home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Path: sparky!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!pender.ee.upenn.edu!rowe
- From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Duane T. Gish, Ph. D.
- Keywords: info requested
- Message-ID: <106246@netnews.upenn.edu>
- Date: 22 Jan 93 21:22:56 GMT
- References: <Jan.21.21.49.24.1993.23599@remus.rutgers.edu>
- Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu
- Organization: University of Pennsylvania
- Lines: 52
- Nntp-Posting-Host: pender.ee.upenn.edu
-
- In article <Jan.21.21.49.24.1993.23599@remus.rutgers.edu>
- trott@remus.rutgers.edu (Rich Trott) writes:
-
- >Few of the claims that Gish makes are difficult to descredit because
- >they are so absurd. However, a few I've had difficulty locating
- >information on in my home library. ...
-
- >CLAIM #1: "According to evolutionists it would have taken 100 million
- >years for a fish to have evolved from an invertebrate. But there is absolutely
- >no fossil evidence showing that this took place."
-
- I don't think that you'll be able to find anything to directly refute
- this, partly because the premise is so ludicrous. I don't suppose
- that Gish has a source for his "According to..." statement, hmmm?
- Where on earth could you find someone who would make a claim like
- that? And would any old invertebrate do, or did he have one of them
- in mind?
-
- The fossil record leading to the vertebrate grade is pretty sparse,
- but the fossil record is sparse for most invertebrates. Is that
- supposed to be a surprise?
-
- >CLAIM #2: "Darwin cited the giraffe as an outstanding example of
- >natural selection. Supposedly, as a result of extended droughts, the
- >supply of green leaves could be obtained only at the top of the trees,
- >and therefore the shorter necked giraffe died off. And the giraffes
- >which grew longer necks survived. However, there is no evidence
- >whatever in the fossil record or elsewhere that giraffes with short
- >necks have ever existed.
-
- If you ever meet Mr. Gish, please tell him to visit some zoos and look
- for an animal called an okapi. You don't need a fossil record when
- the organism in question still exists.
-
- > And what would have happened to young giraffes with relatively short
- >necks?"
-
- This sort of inanity comes from binary thinking. Aside from lethal
- mutations which penetrate prior to sexual maturity, selection is never
- so strong as to delete all organisms that haven't reached a certain
- state (it might be interesting to compare Darwin's description of
- giraffe evolution with Gish's characterization of it. Unfortunately I
- don't have my copy of TOoS with me at the moment... That is something
- that you could do pretty easily on your library trip, however.). His
- question is analogous to "If vanilla ice cream is most often cited as
- people's favorite ice cream flavor, then how come some people sell
- chocolate ice cream?"
-
- >Rich Trott
- >trott@remus.rutgers.edu
-
- Mickey Rowe (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
-