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- From: isaak@aurora.com (Mark Isaak)
- Subject: Re: SWAA Lecture
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.172458.605@aurora.com>
- Reply-To: isaak@aurora.com (Mark Isaak)
- Organization: The Aurora Group
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:24:58 GMT
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- In article <1jelm6$ejh@agate.berkeley.edu> philjohn@garnet.berkeley.edu (Phillip Johnson) writes:
- [much deleted; see the original]
-
- Both Grasse and Johnson appear to misunderstand the distinction
- between allele frequencies changing in a population (as with the
- much-mentioned peppered moths), and the appearance of new alleles.
- The first is commonplace, but it can't be expected to introduce
- new features to a species. (It is, however, important in getting
- new features established in a population.) The second is much
- rarer and very much more unpredictable, but it has been
- observed--and, I believe, at rates roughly what one would expect
- from observed rates of evolutionary change.
-
- In short, when someone points out that years of fruit fly breeding
- experiments have failed to produce anything but fruit flies, they
- aren't attacking evolution; they're just showing their lack of
- understanding of it.
-
- [Please note, btw, that "fruit fly" should be two words.]
-
- > The really important meaning of "evolution" is not that
- >creation was a gradual process that required billions of years.
- >It is that the process was supposedly undirected and purposeless.
-
- Why do you confine your arguments to evolution? Or do you believe
- that earthquakes, hurricanes, and sunspots are directed and
- purposeful? Please note that I do not consider this to be a
- rhetorical question, but one which is fundamental to the entire
- debate.
-
- >Perhaps those who attribute creation to a Creator are
- >committing what Laudan called "the cardinal sin of believing what
- >they wish were so rather than what there is substantial evidence
- >for."
-
- Perhaps? It would be more accurate to say that perhaps there are
- one or two creationists who don't commit that sin. How many people
- do you think would want creationism taught in schools if they knew
- it would be the Huron Indian version of creation?
-
- >On the other hand, perhaps this is still more true of
- >Darwinists, who are so eager to believe on slight evidence that
- >natural selection can do all the work of creation.
-
- How did evolution come to be accepted in the first place, if not
- because of evidence? And why is it that those who accept evolution
- are virtually the only people searching for data?
-
- > The points in dispute can only be settled by an unbiased
- >examination of the evidence.
-
- By all means, present some. If you start looking at evidence, perhaps
- even you will find that the evidence supports evoltion by natural
- selection overwhelmingly more than any other theory of origins.
- --
- Mark Isaak "Every generation thinks it has the answers, and every
- isaak@aurora.com generation is humbled by nature." - Philip Lubin
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