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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
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- Subject: Re: Life begins at ...
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 20:48:54 GMT
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- I have added talk.philosophy.misc to the newsgroups, and also misc.test
- because of apprehension about my posts all making it out there today.
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- In <1993Jan27.074149.2571@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
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- >Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes ...
- >> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) says:
- >>>Just what is an "individual life" supposed to be?
- >>
- >>I kind of thought it was self-evident. For example, every person on this
- >>planet lives his own individual life. The term seems to be necessary, now,
- >>to mark the difference from human life as a whole (or as a continuum).
-
- >Self-evident like, say, the flatness of the earth? What does it mean,
- >to live an individual life? Barring very few hermits I don't don't of
- >any true individuals. Perhaps you have a different notion of
- >independence?
-
- Of course, Ray. You should get your nose out of whatever pocket dictionary
- you use and confront these concepts on a deeper level.
-
- >>When talking about 'life' in the sense of a continuum, it's possible to say
- >>that life has no beginning and no end. An individual's life does, and
- >>the pro-life crowd feels that this beginning and this ending are coming
- >>way, way too close together sometimes...
-
- >What is an "individual"? Even at the death of most of the cells in a
- >particular body, life continues even in that body. Sure, you might
- >argue that the "person" has "died", but then that begs the question of
- >just what _is_ a person.
-
- I take it, Ray, that you do not believe there is a life after death in the
- sense of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition. But do
- you also claim the very CONCEPT is meaningless?
-
- >All of which leads into a philosophical rats-nest, and explains why
- >philosophers don't enjoy more popularity.
-
- What you see as a rat's nest, I see as a glimpse into the ultimate
- mysteries of our existence.
-
- BTW I have started making a distinction between "philosopher" and
- "sophist", and I think there are relatively few true philosophers in
- our modern world, and even fewer who get the recognition they deserve.
-
- Peter J. Nyikos
-