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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Life begins at ...
- Message-ID: <nyikos.728166887@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 20:34:47 GMT
- References: <93022.013032KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> <1993Jan22.202321.15474@ncar.ucar.edu> <93023.075954KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> <1993Jan25.235837.1790@ncar.ucar.edu> <93026.004819KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> <C1I2qp.8Dv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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- In <C1I2qp.8Dv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:
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- >Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
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- >>In article <1993Jan25.235837.1790@ncar.ucar.edu>, kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian
- >>Kauffman) says:
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- >>>Q1: when did life begin?
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- On earth, several billion [outside the USA: several milliard] years ago.
- But this is talk.abortion.
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- >>>Q2: when does an individual life begin?
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- No later than the point where twinning becomes impossible.
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- >>>Q3: when does an individual's (ie. a person's) life begin?
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- Sounds like this is covered by the other questions, so I'll skip it for now.
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- >>>Q4: when during individual's life does the individual life become a "person"?
-
- Well, if you are asking what the 14th amendment says, I suggest you read
- the US Constitution and the Opinion of the Court in RvW.
-
- If you are asking at what point I think the individual life becomes what
- I would call a person deserving *some* legal protection, my answer is
- at sentience.
-
- >>>It's all too common that someone will ask Q2, get an answer, and then carry
- >>>on as if the answer was to Q4. So what is "THE question" really asking?
-
- >I don't think something that isn't sentient is much of a "person". I don't
- >think a single cell can realistically be considered sentient, whether or not
- >it "has a soul". Doesn't a "person" have a "personality"? Does anyone ever
- >say that a single cell has a "personality"? (ignoring anthropomorphism)
-
- No. A person does not have to have a "personality" in the sense of certain
- character traits persisting through time. All it needs is consciousness of
- *something* however faint or fleeting.
-
- >When *you* say "person" you mean the same thing as "human".
-
- No. The Andromeda Galaxy probably contains lots of persons, but no
- humans.
-
- > Since it is
- >a waste of a term to refer to something that can be easily specified with
- >another term without ambiguity or much debate when the first term could be
- >used to refer to something more specific, most of us who disagree with you
- >use the term "person" to refer to a *sentient* being. This is both more
- >general and more specific, and--*we* feel--more appropriate.
- >[love those three-sentence paragraphs! ;) ]
-
- I agree.
-
- Peter J. Nyikos
-