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- From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Kodak's Official Policy (formerly: Want to adopt)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.072349.6491@muddcs.claremont.edu>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 07:23:49 GMT
- References: <1993Jan25.130932.10745@wam.umd.edu> <1993Jan25.214821.29561@Happy-Man.com> <106596@netnews.upenn.edu>
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- Originator: irilyth@fenris
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- /* I don't read talk.abortion. I saw this in news.groups, and am responding
- as a knee-jerk libertarian. Thank you. */
-
- Rich Kulawiec (rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu) writes:
-
- > Wanna join the Happy Fascists League of America? Sheesh, man, one
- > does not give up one's civil rights by virtue of employment.
-
- No, but the right to free speech is not the same as the right to hold a job.
- Kodak should certainly not be allowed to beat up or even threaten to beat up
- an employee who criticizes them, but Kodak should not be obliged to continue
- to employ such a person (unless, of course, they're contractually obliged to
- do so).
-
- Of course, the right of employers to determine who they hire by whatever
- stupid criteria they desire has long since been eliminated in this country,
- in the name of "civil rights" ironically enough (employers apparently do not
- have civil rights when it comes to hiring decisions). I can refuse to work
- for you because you're a Catholic, but you can't refuse to hire me because
- I'm a Jew. I'd say that if I don't want to work for Catholics, that's my
- problem (and my loss); if you don't want to hire Jews, that's yours. You can
- find a more sensible employee, and I can find a more sensible employer. On
- the other hand, the government should not be able to deny me the right to a
- fair trial, or the right to own property, or any of my other Constitutional
- rights, because I can't find a more sensible goverment: they've got the
- guns, and they can coerce me into abiding by their decisions. Kodak, or any
- other company, holds no such coercive power--and if they try to use force to
- violate my rights, they should be prevented from doing so. Firing someone,
- however, isn't coercion (though it is still wrong and should be illegal if
- it constitutes breach of contract).
-
- Of course, refusing to hire someone because of race, gender, or any other
- silly reason is stupid and counter-productive. As Jurgen Boltz wrote in a
- reply to the message Ric was replying to:
-
- > Certainly Kodak has the right to make and implement such policies...
- > the problem is that independent, creative thinkers won't want to
- > work for you if you do. And such people (IMHO) are a company's
- > greatest assets. But it's your choice.
-
- Private discrimination isn't immoral, and shouldn't be illegal; you can't
- legislate intelligence or tolerance. It doesn't work, and trying to is
- counter-productive and wrong.
- --
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- Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA USA :: Work: josh@fenris.claremont.edu
- "To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
- and the dancers hit each other." --Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
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